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What happened to the suppposed 25 versions of the 512S produced ?

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  1. turbo-joe

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    may be for resting the left foot during not needing the clutch?
     
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    The brow does resemble Madness at Mid Ohio Marc, but the armco barriers and minimal groundskeeping do not. Mid Ohio is usually green and neat as a pin.
     
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    Exactly...it is not Riverside or Laguna because they have zero grass...so Road Atlanta is my bet, hard to figure out where that is!
     
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    #1154 The Strad, May 15, 2020
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    It's been a while we spoke about s/n 1044.
    Racing for the official Ferrari works team, the car got a 7th place (overall and in its 5.0l class) at the 1970 1000 km of Spa and a dnf at 1970 24h of Le Mans. Converted shortly after that to "M".
    Herbert Müller bought the car and kept it for about 2 years and a half, participating in numerous Interseries races, winning a couple of 1 st places, several times in Hockenheim, Dijon.
    In 1972 the car caught fire and was seriously damaged.
    Many changes of ownership over the next 3 decades, amongst others the both famous Albert Obrist (Switzerland) and Fabrizio Violati (Italy).
    SInce 1999 it was in the hands of Dutchman John Bosch.
    There seems to have been a Classiche Certification in 2018, not sure if the car was still in Bosch' possession at that moment.
    1044 is believed to be in the US today, says barchetta.cc, but I am not so sure about that.....
    There is apparently a major dispute over the heritage of Jan Bosch (John's father, who died in 2006) and, believing what some newspapers recently wrote, this very 512 M and a 288 GTO seem to have disappeared.
    As internet is full of pix of 1044 from the seventies, here some rather rare pictures, amongst others of a restoration by the great Dutch specialist Hans Roelofs.

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    1998 - Ownership Symbolic Motor Company (USA) Photo Gregor Schulz
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    Photo Gregor Schulz
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    1999 - Hard labour at Roelofs Engineering. Photo Marcel Wallenburg
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    1999 - Roelofs Engineering. Photo Marcel Wallenburg
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    Same place. Photo Marcel Wallenburg
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    Photo Marcel Wallenburg
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    Starting to look great! Photo Marcel Wallenburg
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    Meanwhile February 2000 - Roelofs Engineering. Photo Marcel Wallenburg
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    Still s/n 1044, in April 2000, first time back on a racetrack since its restoration at Roelofs Engineering. Spa-Francorchamps. Photo Jeroen Veeneman
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  6. Marcel Massini

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    Please note that Albert Obrist never owned 1044.

    Marcel Massini
     
  7. The Strad

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    Thank you. Sorry for the error. Some sources, like barchetta.cc and others, really state that Albert Obrist once owned 1044. Pityful mistakes.
    I realise there's a lot of wrong info on these cars on internet.
    I double checked and apparently Obrist had 1010, and a replica 1010R, constructed around an original engine.
     
  8. Marcel Massini

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    Obrist also owned 1006.
    Got it from Michael Vernon 19 April 1983 and sold it to Peter Kaus 1989.
    Obrist paid GB Pounds £ 61'000 in 1983.

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    BTW, barchetta.cc has "???" behind the name "Albert Obrist", so it is obvious for everybody that this note is in question.

    Regards

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    some pics of Mr Newey in his 512F at goodwood in 2008 I think
     

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    Thanks for reminding, but is not so obvious, I'd say.
    barchetta.cc has "???" behind CH, so that's not so clear.
    Besides that, what's the purpose of ???, what's a "maybe" worth?
    BTW, also this one got it wrong:
    https://www.autoauctionsmonthly.com/2018/08/09/sportscar-racing-the-5-litre-era-1969-1971/
    see excerpt:
    #1044 – 512S/M – SEFAC, Spa 1000km ’70 #21 Merzario/Schetty 7th, Le Mans 24 Hours ’70 #6 Giunti/Vaccarella DNF, converted to 512M spec, Herbie Mueller, CH (1), Brands Hatch 1000km ’71#1 Mueller/ Herzog 4th, Monza 1000km ’71 #12 Mueller/ Herzog 6th, Spa 1000km ’71 #26 Mueller/ Herzog 15th, Nurburgring 1000km ’71 #60 Mueller/ Herzog DNF, Austrian 1000km ’71 #22 Mueller/ Herzog DNF, Watkins Glen 6 Hours ’71 #48 Mueller/ Eaton DNF, used in Can Am and Interserie events, crashed ’72 and rebuilt using a spare chassis ex Filipinetti, raced through ’75, Albert Obrist ’77 (2), Hartmut Ibing, D ’79 (3), Fabrizio Violatti, I (4), via SMC ’99 (asking $1.9 mil.), Nick Harley, UK (5), via Gregor Fisken to John Bosch, NL ’99 (6).
     
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    Going through a lot of the boxes of things from my teen years, just found this. Interesting stamps depicting rare/exotic/racing cars seem to always come from the most unlikely nations or territories. It is normal stamp size, 4,7cms wide, 3,3 tall.

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    Daytona 24 hours 1970...
    Remember this Marc ? Heller 1/24 scale model with Jacky Ickx driving hard. And same n°28 as on your stamp with Andretti I think.

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    Hah if I saw that it was long enough ago that I forgot, looks great:)
     
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    Swiss entrepreneur and race driver Herbert Müller, the man who owned no fewer than six Ferrari 512 S, passed away 39 years ago (after a collison of his Porsche at the Nürburgring 24 May 1981).
    Herbie owned (and campaigned) Ferrari 512 S chassis #1004, 1008, 1016, 1036, 1044 and 1046.
    This picture shows a young Herbert Müller at Le Mans 1965.

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    It has the livery of 1002 and I see from Barchetta here that it had the fake number 1030 on it on this date. All these replicas have no Ferrari chassis number whatsoever.
     
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    I think this car was in Toronto for service when Remo Ferri had his independent shop. Mr Giordano also had/has a red 275 GTB I recall with a rather unique blue and white angled repeating stripes between the tail lights. Probably 40 years ago now...
     
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    275 GTB/C 09057. Now owned by Vincent Gaye and light metallic blue in colour.
     
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