When is Alonso going to be fired

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Last I checked, nobody twisted his arm to sign those lucrative contracts with Ferrari. He is very well paid to drive the wheels off an inferior car.....that is why he has that contract. Drive and shut up, or move elsewhere. IMO, he has the best drive he can earn. Flapping his gums criticizing the company that hires him isn't constructive.

 

He hasn't been whining as far as I have watched. I think the closest whiny comment was the birthday joke where he wished he could have a Redbull car to drive. Other than that he's been very factual and realistic about the car saying things like, "we are not competitive enough to fight at the front and p9 was our maximum. We'll try a different strategy tomorrow and see if we can close the gap." or "we don't have the fastest car so if we can achieve P2 in the wcc it will be a personal victory for me."

Pat Fry, Domenicalli and all the other big wigs who speak at interviews seem to also echo a similar tune. So if you think Alonso is whining then all of them are.

 

Simplified Alonso is just stating facts and is not whining.

 

Alonso has complained about the team or car like 3 times. If you're going to complain about that after 4 years of underperforming cars, I don't know what to tell you.

 

Well, from where I am standing, he is one of the highest paid motorsports 'celebrities' on the planet and his job is to drive and do PR. If he wants to complain, keep it in the paddock. Or move. You are not going to convince me otherwise. Doing PR does NOT include complaining to the press regarding the car's performance, or lack thereof.

 

Not an Alonso fan I take it?

 

It is his job to drive and get maximum results with the equipment he is given and the PR aspect is the teams job, not his. I know I want to be as informed as much as possible so Alonso, from where I am standing, has done nothing wrong. The simple fact is that some of the greatest F1 drivers and past WDC's always voiced their honest opinions so just because it is Alonso this time makes no difference.

Just my take.

 

Again I don´t know if I´m missing something but so far those were rumours...

 

Yeah and as a sport, fans want to hear from the drivers - from a competetive perspective. He is being honest and echoing the same line coming from the team. He may have slipped once a couple weeks ago by not cushioning what he said but he is being factual and realistic about the competitiveness of the car. AND driving the crap out of it. What was it, P11 to P6 at Aby Dhabi?

 

P11 to P5. Hell of a drive in a car that doesn't "have it" at the moment.

 

Martin Whitmarsh has said on the record whilst talking to the BBC during one of their race coverages that neither he, nor McLaren, have had any contact with Fernando Alonso or his agent at all.

He stated that as far as he was aware, Alonso has a contract with Ferrari for a number of years to come and so there were no discussions to be had.

When pushed about the press speculation he stated that it came about due to journalists playing devils advocate and deliberately misinterpreting a statement he made about Alonso and McLaren.

Basically, he was asked if McLaren would have Alonso back in their team if he were available and Whitmarsh replied that of course they would - Alonso is a World class driver!

Next thing you know, Alonso is a target for McLaren!

(If anyone has proof that Whitmarsh is lying about talks with Alonso then feel free to post it!)

Mmmmm......... When Christian Horner was pressed by Eddie Jordan to publicly admit live on air with the BBC that he'd had talks with Alonso's manager about Alonso joining Red Bull, Horner became very evasive and all he'd say was: "You'd be amazed who we've been talking to!"

When pushed further, all he'd say was that he wasn't able to confirm or deny exactly who he'd been talking to or about.

Meanwhile, Alonso's manager stated that the talks were about Carlos Sainz Jr and that Alonso's name was not even mentioned, and Alonso stated that he was happy at Ferrari and had no interest in any other team.

Even after these statements were made, at the following race Horner was still trying to hint that there had been talks with Alonso's manager about joining Red Bull!

Frankly, Christian Horner has a bit of a reputation for playing games with the press and trying to use them to help destabilise other drivers/teams, so I'd be very wary about believing anything he says TBH.

As for Ferrari firing Alonso - Not going to happen!

Alonso may possibly get frustrated and decide to walk away from Ferrari, but as things stand right now, Ferrari are not going to fire him!

 

Why would he be fired? He's doing a great job dragging the car and finishing where it's not supposed to finish at. He did this for the 2nd season running now.

Of course, it's not good to critic the team in public (MS never did this), but i can't help but sense he's getting frustrated being Vettel's bridesmaid again.

And he should be fired because he's telling the truth?

 

I personally think that drivers should, under any circumstances, STFU and drive. But firing someone just because he made a rant is too much. That can be solved with a slap in the wrist.

All the rest (he dealed with Red Bull, yadda, yadda, yadda) is all rumours in the media.

 

The car was good enough for the fastest lap in the race so it can not be that bad as everybody says...And he was starting from P11 because he was slow in practice, even slower than Massa...So is position 5 the normal pace of the car and P11 in practice a bad result of the driver or is P11 the pace of the car and P5 a great result of the driver???
I think it is rather the first but Alonso is able to make people believe it is the second.
If he is finishing good it is because of him and if he finishs bad it is because of the car, this is what he wants to make believe the people and he seems to get away with it, even when he is not better then his team mate...How can Massa start 2 rows in front of him in the same car if Alonso is such a great driver?
What I want to say: it is never the fault of Alonso, just remember the McLaren year when he was not faster than a rookie team mate because he was not given priority in his team, he left in anger...
Certainly Ferrari will not fire Alonso because this will make them look foolish but I doubt that he will be motivating his team for a WDC in the next years.
The difference to Schumacher in the Ferrari years: it seems that Schumacher was a better part of the team and one of his abilities was to motivate people, most of them would have walked through the fire for him, I doubt that it is the same with Alonso, especially after all the words he said in the past...

 

He made the best lap just right at the end when it doesn´t matter and everybody is cruisin´. Also Alonso was the only one with soft tyres at that moment. So it´s irrelevant.

Also if Massa qualifies better lately maybe it´s becuase he could be setting up the car for qualifying. That also would explain why always Massa looses steam as the race goes by.

Although I agreee in that everything is relative: the Ferrari is not THAT bad, and Alonso is not always right.

 

--McLaren are continuing their efforts to sign Ferrari's Fernando Alonso for 2015, but realise they need the strongest possible driver line-up for next season--

From this link to BBC - BBC Sport - F1: Kevin Magnussen may replace Sergio Perez at McLaren

There is probably alot going on with FA and my guess his confidence in Stefano and the car/team at large is in question.

 

I could see this happening if Ferrari's 2014 car is not competitive.

 

The F138 is not fast. It's the 4th/5th fastest car at the moment, sometimes alternating with Sauber. He got fastest lap because due to his strategy, he pitted late for new tires and had to go all out for several laps until the end of the race. Everyone else was cruising, preserving their cars and tires.

You're clearly an Alonso hater, but you are correct he is no Schumacher. That said, he's still the best at the moment and has once again dragged Ferrari to a WCC position that flatters a mediocre car.

 

Alonso should stay, it is Luca that should go.

 

You are just thinking in black and white!
No, I do not hate him because I do not know him personally...I just do not like him very much but it is ridiculous what you are making out of him. Without any arguments you say he is the best and better than everyone else (especially Vettel which you seem to hate on the other side). I think Alonso is one of the best drivers in the grid but I do not see him above Hamilton, Vettel or Raikkonen unless he proves that in the same car (and at least Hamilton proved that he is as good even in his first year).
I am curious about the next year because I think Alonso has to improve in practice, otherwise he might be starting most of the time behind his team mate (as I think Raikkonen is faster than Massa) and I doubt that it will be as easy to pass Raikkonen than it is with Massa. Let´s wait and see whether he will start to complain again as he always do when things are not running according to plans.
And before thinking others are cheating he should think back to Singapore 2008...

 

You really think there are no arguments as to why Alonso is the best? Are you serious?

Start here: Formula 1 team bosses vote Fernando Alonso as best driver of 2012 - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com

Alonso had a much better 2012, Vettel has had a much better 2013. Still, if you'll note, it's Alonso in 2nd in the standings this year despite the 4th/5th best car. What Alonso has been able to do in lackluster cars is undeniable, only a hater would say otherwise. Seb hasn't missed a beat in his Newey dream machines but we have yet to see if he can challenge for the WDC in a car that isn't the best on the grid. That's also a fact. Not saying he can't, but we haven't seen it yet.

Only a hater or someone that hasn't followed F1 lately would think it is "ridiculous" to call Alonso the best driver. The are cases you could make for others as well, but Alonso's is strong. Posts like yours don't surprise me, the Alonso haters come out in droves around November when Seb wins the title. It's been like that for years now, nothing new or surprising. Fair weather fans are funny, who knows what jockey they will back next year...