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While in NYC - they are watching and recording

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  1. ClydeM

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    You knew that the speed camera cash cow could be fattened even further:
    "NYC could use cameras to curb reckless driving, council votes this week"
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    ... would require drivers with five red-light camera tickets or 15 speed-camera tickets in a year to complete the safety course....
    The city has red-light cameras at 150 intersections along with more than 600 speed cameras and plans to add 2,000 speed cameras by 2021,
     
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    #3 ClydeM, Feb 11, 2020
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    Well, no on the NY plate Covers:
    VAT § 402.
    (b) Number plates shall be kept clean and in a condition so as to be easily readable and shall not be covered by glass or any plastic material, and shall not be knowingly covered or coated with any artificial or synthetic material or substance that conceals or obscures such number plates or that distorts a recorded or photographic image of such number plates, and the view of such number plates shall not be obstructed by any part of the vehicle or by anything carried thereon, except for a receiver-transmitter issued by a publicly owned tolling facility in connection with electronic toll collection when such receiver-transmitter is affixed to the exterior of a vehicle in accordance with mounting instructions provided by the tolling facility.
    ...
    8. The violation of this section shall be punishable by a fine of not less than twenty-five nor more than two hundred dollars.

    Per NY Daily News: 144,852 cases over the past two years.

    NJ: N.J.S.A. 39:3-48b
    The license plates must be clean and visible at all times. Even though the rear plate is reflectorized, it must be illuminated to make it visible from 50 feet away at night
    If you use a license plate holder or cover that obscures or conceals any lettering on the license plate, you are subject to a fine of up to $100.

    Nearly 120K people received a ticket last year for this common license plate violation (NJ.Com...where a plate frame can obstruct part of the plate)

    Though I dont think there's any law on the books for fake nose & glasses :)
     
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    Yeah I know all of that but they have to catch you. If you get one of the electrically controlled LCD covers there's things you can do.

    The funniest one I ever saw was at Concourso Italiano in Monterey in the late 1980's. A Countach had a revolving plate mount and the guy was demonstrating it. It was the wide narrow European plates.
    Three different plates ... LOL. Just funny like the scene in Cannonball II



    So much fun.
     
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    Has anyone considered what increasing the plate illumination, say 100 fold, would do to the ticket camera? It would look bright to a human but to a camera, oversaturate the sensor. Your plate would be white and no amount of pixel fiddling would undo it. No camera can handle oversaturation. Not yet anyway. May not be too effective during sunny days but otherwise, hard to technically defeat.
     
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    One of our NYC members had one a few years ago. Looked cool, worked, but still illegal & a reason for a cop to pull you over and if he pulls you over, your going to have to sign on the dotted line.
    And if you are from the tri-state area, you know may officers just stand at the bridges, tunnels & tolls watching for violations :(

    Thinking further about this, one of the articles mentioned tens of thousands of pics were thrown away. The 4% number popped up. That's fare more written than ignored. And with today's Machine Learning algorithms, I'll bet they can get through
    most defenses as well as read the Make Model of the car, identify the color, maybe even guess at the year & then check records to see if the driver's face (Per either NYC driving records or one of the many private collections that have been making the news lately) matches. Tagged. Pay!

    Well heck, let's see the system tackle a fake nose & glasses :)
     
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    I do like your thinking!

    But I wonder if a flash like that, presumably triggered by the toll reading radar would be going off all the time from false signals? Now that would get the cops attention especially since you'd have to have one on the rear plate as well for an extended period of time.
     
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    Maybe they make a gigantic set to cover the entire front of the car, a Groucho spoiler of sorts? :p
     
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    Another way to fatten NYC pockets because of bad management . To be fair, between northern NJ and nyc , I’ve never seen in any other part of the country so many people running red lights or speeding in school zones. One must always wait when their light turns green before proceeding because someone always runs red . Its so common that most drivers are conditioned to this.
     
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    #10 ClydeM, Feb 15, 2020 at 1:17 PM
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    Got into a discussion with my Brother-in-law - Just an FYI technicality. It is illegal in NJ to run a yellow light, let alone a red:

    Q. How is yellow light time determined?
    A. Yellow light times must be determined by engineering practice. In New Jersey, that practice is to take the speed limit and divide by 10. The New Jersey Department of Transportation (NJDOT) uses only whole-number yellow time values; any fraction is rounded up to the next whole number.

    39:4-105. Color system...
    Amber, or yellow, when shown alone following green means traffic to stop before entering the intersection or nearest crosswalk, unless when the amber appears the vehicle or street car is so close to the intersection that with suitable brakes it cannot be stopped in safety. A distance of fifty feet from the intersection is considered a safe stopping distance for a speed of twenty miles per hour, and vehicles and street cars if within that distance when the amber appears alone, and which cannot be stopped with safety, may proceed across the intersection or make a right or left turn unless the turning movement is specifically limited.

    Can you imagine stopping on yellow in NJ? You'll have all sorts of cars embedded in your bumper.

    Thinking about this further, I ran into this:
    1. 39:4-85 Honking before passing on the left ($85)
    New Jersey is known for its strict rules about passing on the left. This is summarized in traffic law statute 39:4-85. But what many don’t know is the same statute includes a provision requiring a motorist to honk before passing another vehicle. It’s a largely antiquated provision and is rarely enforced but there’s nothing stopping an officer from issuing a ticket for it. The provision reads:

    The driver of an overtaking motor vehicle not within a business or residence district shall give audible warning with his horn or other warning device before passing or attempting to pass a vehicle proceeding in the same direction

    And from the current NJ Driver's manual :
    HORN A horn should not be overused, but a motorist should check it often to make sure it works. Use the horn to signal when passing, when coming out of a blind alley, curve or driveway, or to warn another motorist of a potentially dangerous situation.

    So if you ever get stopped about using your horn, it's always "But officer, I was warning the other operator of a dangerous situation."

    Sure, somebody flips you the bird, it's dangerous 'cause you might shoot them. :)
     
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