Why so much Cali hate?

Why is it that 90% of your posts are personal attacks on another poster? Since you've appointed yourself the End All of Ferrari Knowledge, why not list some reasons.

 

Still can't see the drawn out vitriol against this car. Some of the negative posts about the car are so way blown far beyond the orbit of Pluto here. Unless almost every hands-on review are just doctored with conspirational lies, the car is fine. Beyond fine.... Not for everyone but new for many who never experienced Ferrari from behind the wheel on the open road. Don't see that as a bad thing. Different things often find massive rejection at the outset only to be eventually accepted and then liked. This is the first Ferrari to come along in a long while actually that utilizes the prior and vintage (ca 1960s) Pininfarina penchant for curvaceous form.


But yes I'm swimming upstream here. Carry on.

 

You don't understand: We mustn't break from Ferrari tradition, a tradition as old as Ferrari motorcars themselves:

Upon the release of any new Ferrari model, true Tifosi are obligated to come completely unhinged, frothing at the mouth and shrieking that the latest offering (whichever latest offering it is) just isn't true to Ferrari's heritage, that it marks the end of Ferrari as we know it, that it is -oh, the HORROR! - now accessible to the unwashed masses, and a harbinger of the Apocalypse.

Even if we think the California is largely inoffensive, we must not let on. We're required to prove our mettle as REAL Ferrari fans by wringing our hands in hysteria.

Ready to prove you're a Real Ferrari Guy? Repeat after me: Oh, the horror, the horror, the horror. . .

 

The only horror for me is that I don't have the down payment in my back pocket.

Oh, the horror, the horror, the horror. . .



I like to keep things simple, so for me the simple comparison is between Alfa and Ferrari. The 8c comes out and no Manual Transmission?! On an Alfa??!!! Now *that* is bad berries.

The Cali comes out, and, sure enough, you *can* order it with a regamalur ol' 6-speed. End of story. That is all I need to know. Ferrari is still rolling true! The rest is details and hand-wringing...

 

There was a good column in Automobile a few months back in which they took the car apart for being derivative. It was criticized precisely for being a collection of bits from the past, tacked on to an awkward shape. I concur.

I haven't driven one, but I'm certain it is excellent to drive. The vitriol stems from the negative reaction of many who don't like how it looks. Very simple.

That does happen often enough -- the Porsche 911 was "not a real Porsche!" when it replaced the 356.

But, the F40 was adored, as was the V8-engined 308 and the radical Daytona that did away with the old rounded fenders. There are those of us who find the California unattractive and off-track with regard to Ferrari's raison d'etre. I don't know why all the froth, except that it's amusing to see how personally some of us take it when our favourite marque does what we consider a faceplant.

 

LOL

 

The Alpha and Omega: 430 posts in and we discover the three-liter Columbo engine peaked out at 210hp, et seq.

("Half of all statistics are Bayesian": http://nnyhav.blogspot.com/2008/03/half-of-all-statistics-are-bayesian.html)

 

...And the excess weight, amortized engine, two pedal dumb down, pointless roof and phony go fast cues.

 

Haven't you given up yet? When you get something new and interesting to whine about, please let us all know.

 

If they double Ferrari's contribution to FIAT's bottom line with this abortion it will still be on the order of a rounding error.

But the Cali will always be yet another senseless triumph of marketing over substance, a bell that can't be unrung.

 

The echo chamber is this way -> http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221641

 

Do you have even a scintilla of knowledge regarding the profitability of Ferrari relative to the Fiat group's income? Judging by your comments, clearly not. And in the world of business an unattractive profit beats a beautiful loss by a mile. I'm sorry your aesthetic sensibilities have been offended, but your lack of enthusiasm for the Ferrari California in the grand scheme of how the world works, is less than a rounding error -it's absolutely irrelevant.

 

+1,000,000

The same goes for the rest of the far-too-outspoken cynics.

 

the California is not a slow car; it goes faster than most cars manufactured. It outperforms most cars. It is evidently available in traditional 3pedal manual. It is also probably the most embodied balance of reliable and practical, yet performing and fun Ferrari, made yet. The hate for this car is nearly unbelievable.

 

I shudder to say it, but I think a lot of people buy a Ferrari, not to drive, but to have. For them the California is meaningless and therefore confusing. Confusion is scary. Fear breeds hatred. Oh well.

 

I actually agree with you on the point many buy these cars as garage art, why pay a big chunk for an unattractive lump taking up space in the garage? Ferrari has built this car as a daily driver a point a to b tool like any other luxury appliance BMW to rack up miles on, its a new direction for the company that takes away the mystique and lowers them to just another car company

 

I also wonder how many regular types would confuse the Kali with a real Ferrrari the 599, kind of a slap in the face to them with this car much as many can't tell a Boxster from a 996,997. Seems they took many of the 599s design and morphed it as if the guy at Pinninfarina was on acid and watching Pokemon.

 

Lets see what happens to the price of these Cali's when they are 4 or 5 years old.

Unattractive lump? LOL
Daily driver to rack up the miles?

Sounds like these things will not hold value like some of the Ferraris that have that emotional weekend racer, or garage art appeal attached.

Which Ferrari has dropped the most value the fastest? I'd guess the 612 because its another one that's not exactly sporty to look at???

 

The issue with most of the negative posters that quote "value" and "beauty" are so off the mark. At the end of the day a Ferrari is no different to any other automotive appliance. Buy it if you want it and want to drive an exotic, relatively rare car for the pleasure it gives you. But the idea that a modern production car, whether it is a Ferrari, Mercedes, Audi or whatever, will not depreciate in the first years of ownership is patently absurd.

For all of those negative Cali posters, there are more than enough vintage era Ferraris around for their buying, viewing and investment pleasure. At some point in the next 40 years, when the Cali is a Vintage car is may be viewed differently. Right now it sounds like a really good alternative to a DB9 Volante, ora Porsche Turbo Cabriolet or even an SL63. So give it a rest and go peruse the Vintage threads if you want to look at something pretty.

 

Way off the mark? The title of this thread is "Why so much Cali hate?"

The answer seems... 3 fold

1) It started as a Maserati and was changed to Ferrari by the accountants
2) It doesn't have Ferrari "leader of the pack" looks. Ferrari was always a leader in design.
3) It's very expensive, and has little chance of holding any value. Ferrari use to be more about something so unique that it held value better than most.

So, if I'm "way off the mark"... I don't know what the answer is, to the question?
And why this thread keeps going and going?

 

This reminds me of something...
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LOL ... want to race?

Pininfarina- code name "Callisto"
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Hey at least the one I posted has a Maserati engine and is a convertible.

 

Yep... good job but the one I posted shows that even "Italian Art" has to be done right, to be respected years later