Why so 'mysterioso' with Enzo production?

Perhaps Marcel Massini will put a finer point on this, but more than 272 288 GTOs were made.

 

284 ?

 

When at the factory in 2003, we saw a silver Enzo and were told what we thought we saw was incorrect. Silver Enzo's do not exist and never will from the factory.... funny it was sitting right there in front of us (and now how many NON-standard colors have cropped up?)

In 2005, when at the factory again, we walked past a 250 pf coupe. We were told it was a 1957 model. I kinda coughed at that and was VERY WELL INFORMED that I obviously didn't understand the history of Ferrari...

I think the factory has their story and then there is reality...

If I remember correctly, Ferrari always claimed they would build 1 less than what the world market would demand, just because their number was off by a little, it still doesn't go against their intentions, to build 1 less than demand....

If it turns out REAL demand is 492, then at 491 they have built the "APPROPRIATE" amount...

 

Ah. So non-born-again Enzo count may be in a perpetual state of 399 + 1 Popenzo, forever and ever. Amen.

 

People, people, people, the answer is simple, it's because they're Italian and that's the way Italians do things!, always have, always will!.

If you want accurate records, go to Germany, they pride themselves on that type of thing.

The Italians?, they don't really see why it's that important to anyone. They'll agree with you that in theory that it should matter but then they will tell you that in reality it's not so important so why make a fuss?.

It's just a different attitude to life really.

 

Sums it up perfectly. And by the way, this does not just apply to the Ferrari factory.

What did the late TC Browne say? I forget the exact quote but it went something like this: "There are lies, damned lies, and then there are car manufacturer's statistics"

 

I imagine it had something to do with the fact that demands were so high for the car. Obvious I suppose.

Ferrari made a target known to the media and exceeded it.

There's really no need to express publicly that you've sold more than your initial goal. Anybody in the know will bd happy to tell you there were more than 400 built. I don't think the factory has any need to make a statement.

_J

 

Enzos were always available in any colour the purchaser wanted to order.

It is surely somewhat disingenuous (at the least) to be selling a car with a plaque that says it is 1 of 399 when you've already made more than 400 though.

Jonathan

 

Yes, but you can also bet that in the future you would never get another limited-production Ferrari from the Factory...

 

Differently from how they operate elsewhere.

 

You wouldn't have much of a case as even with over production they went to an economic premium.

 

I would love to see a picture of the Pope driving his Enzo in anger around Rome!

 

This might actually be true. The only silver Enzo I know of exists here in Newport Beach. The owner owns ALL silver cars and was told he could not buy a silver Enzo. He then purchased a red Enzo and immediately sent it back to the factory to have it repainted silver. The factory has no problem "refurbishing or customizing" existing owner's cars so while it may not have been originally silver it is an original factory painted silver Enzo!

 

There are several factory painted Argento Enzos out there. The one here in SoCal might be the only one in the US but I've heard that there is another one somewhere in the states. However, I'm confused as to why he was not allowed to initially order the car in silver. If this is true, does that mean that all of the limited production colors (Grigio Alloy, the Grigio Titanios, Blu Pozzi, etc.) were factory repaints? Some clarification would be gladly appreciated.

 

One of the silver Enzos (MFER) here in SoCal isn't even a US Enzo. But plenty of the non-red/non-yellow/non-black Enzos were originally liveried in their extracampionario colors, from the factory, when they were first built.

 

Which car do you mean???

Up until a certain stage in the Enzo production, every shade except Rosso Corsa, Giallo Modena and Nero was considered extracampionario...

 

A shame he was told that when in fact what he was told simply was not true. There are a number of silver Enzos.

Perhaps they had a red one they wanted to sell him, and if that's the case it would not be the first time I have heard of authorized Ferrari concessionaires acting in this way. I'm sure the dealer that told him that he could not get a silver Enzo did not pay for the repaint.

 

Oh my gosh----Bubba- the ghost of enzo is seen in the last picture you posted, standing right in front of the Alfa!!! This proves 1/3 of my theory that Enzo, Elvis and Jim Morrison are still alive!

Sorry- I couldn't help myself

 

I am in Houston. I am 100% certain a Factory painted silver Enzo was delivered here in Houston. I am also 100% certain the silver Enzo I saw at the factory was 100% as "Would be delivered" by the factory. It was made clear to us about the whole divert our eyes and don't look at that as it doesn't exist speech that the tour guide gave us....having said that, I have had many disagreements with the "FACTS" of the factory tour, but it hard to argue when you see it on the SEVEN car "special" production line.......

Last factory visit I had, that Special production line is now no longer for view by factory guests....but then again, we now get to see fancy buildings, cooler presentations, and more historical stuff....I ain't complaining, but the factory access is different now than even a couple of years ago....

Sitting outside the factory test gates, I snapped the FIRST public images of the 599 without any disguise.....when you have been there a couple of times, it is pretty easy to figure out "where" to look for the awesome stuff. I have NEVER violated the policies that were described to me by Ferrari for a factory visit, but if you visit Maranello enough, you know where to look.

Originally, Enzo's were only available in red, yellow and black (name the colors as the factory did for fun if you like), but many cars left in colors other than that.....just sayin'.....

 

The greatest statement of all..... Where are the "Damages"?

 

Yes, but "False" doesn't really apply when they tal about production being based on demand....

MANY Ferrari people have legal backgrounds and are careful as such, when you talk about "Demand" from a world prospective, you truely have no idea until cars are produced, and that is simple and true. when demand presents itself after the fact is the only time it could be argued about original statements....

Market research is just that, actual people putting $$$$ down is something else....

A prefect example, although the California has been successful, look at many people have taken delivery based on actual initial orders..... I can't fault Ferrari for this, the economy/market/world has changed. They are a limited production auto builder, regardless of model. They are at the pinacle of auto devlopment. There is NO way they can know what true demand is until they deliver cars....

At the end of the day, they make cars to race cars, the way it has always been. I find it VERY difficult to believe ANY JURY will find against them for the Enzo you (original buyer) bought at around $700k that is NOW ONLY WORTH $1M +, unless of course, it has been run into a wall for some movie.....

And even then, sells for above sticker..... simply that means there is NO loss/damges/claim/ETC.....

"False Claims" are all dependent of definable losses....GOOD Luck....