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Why would you sell a Ferrari at auction?

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by Themaven, Nov 28, 2018.

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  1. Themaven

    Themaven F1 Rookie

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    I've been swiping through forthcoming auction listings, as we know it's a buyer's market right now and there are lots of interesting looking Ferraris on sale in forthcoming months. I'm talking here about cars in the 'lower' Ferrari price bracket, sub-300k euros/pounds (dollars).

    Looking at some of the modern-ish Ferraris in there, I wonder why one would bid on any of them, unless they were super-cheap compared to what's widely available on the market. Which led me to wonder why the consignors were consigning. Why would you sell your Ferrari at auction, rather than via a dealer for SOR, which seems to be the usual method these days? Fchat members are honest Ferrari owners (we hope), so I'm interested in the reasons, because a good vendor equals a happy buyer.

    For me:

    Reasons not to buy at auction: no comeback/warranty, limited or no test drive/inspection, having to turn up or bid online on the day

    Reasons to buy at auction: no dealing with annoying sales people, no back and forth haggling, now or never

    But are there really bargains to be had among cars which are modern and don't need work?

    Anyone?
     
  2. ttforcefed

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    you hope there are 2 drunk guys with really big egoes present
     
  3. Portofino

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    Time short , storage short - don,t want to see it come back .
    Quick with a certain end .You don,t have to put a reserve on .If it’s short of the reserve the auctioneer normally starts to negotiate with the highest bidder after in private anyhow .

    One stop shop the auction day .
    Better published if it’s a bit special so don,t have to “ trust “ the middle of nowhere SOR dealer generating interest from his “contacts “.
    If it was Steve McQueens or Micheal Schumachers car the whole world will know .

    At the Auction its self the great and the good in the classic car world and Ferrari collectors will be either there or bidding by proxi .

    Buyers can rummage around without the “ can I help you Sir “ conversation from a salesman on the viewing days discretely.

    If it’s a crock of **** in Ferrari terms with any luck you will be able to read between the lines in the brochure
    “ would benefit from a light recommission “

    Don,t be afraid
    Factor in the buyers fees if you are buying .
     
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  4. F355 Fan 82

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    #4 F355 Fan 82, Nov 28, 2018
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    Bc you get top dollar for the car you're selling, I don't know about ferraris but other cars you do. I just bought a low mileage SL500 on bringatrailer and I paid way below what 2 recent cars sold for at bonhams and gooding and co. There was a 13k mile 2002 SL500 that sold for $48,000 at gooding & co and an 11k mile 1993 SL500 that bonhams sold for $45,000. I paid $29,750 + 5% on bringatrailer for a 1999 SL500 with 5k miles and before I bought mine a 1500 mile SL500 went for $46,000 + 5% a week earlier and I missed out on it.

    Bringatrailer is the best to buy imo bc the fees are capped at 5% up to the first $100k so even a $2m car its still just $5,000. The big auction houses charge 10% so thats a huge difference on a car thats $200k+. I wanted to consign a car to gooding and co recently for the amelia island show bc i noticed they got the highest prices of anyone for some of the cars and I have a low mile 500E mercedes maybe the lowest mile one around and I think they're the best place to sell it but I have to pay $1,500 to tow it there enclosed and then I have to pay them $1,500 fee whether car sells or not and then 10% of the final price. So with that in mind if it doesn't sell I could lose $1500 putting it in and $1500 towing it each way so $4500 if it doesn't sell, meanwhile I can sell on bringatrailer for $99 from my house and not waste time, if it doesn't sell im out $99, if it does I get the full amount and pay nothing as a seller.

    Long term I think the auctions like bonhams and sothebys and so forth are in trouble bc bringatrailer is AWESOME. You get commentary from many experts + the fees are reasonable and much lower than auction houses. Im honestly scared the big auctions buy bringatrailer and shut it down bc its damn efficient and a serious threat. Cars get MORE money on BAT than anywhere I've seen honestly if you have records and answer questions. A gray 28k mile 2002 575 recently sold for $108,000 + $5,000 fee and the same color/miles for a different 575 was on ebay asking $99,000 at the time and its still there. So a buyer paid $13,000 more bc he got to engage with the seller and the community and was satisfied with all the questions the owner answered.

    So all in all as a seller you want to go where you get the most money, and auctions do often do that in my case my SL500 I purchased was bought for almost $20k less than a big auction may have gotten it, but you run the risk of the reserve not being met and being out $1000-1500 at all the big auctions + shipping costs.
     
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  5. Schulz308

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    They could be dumping cars and claiming losses.
     
  6. Schulz308

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    Another possible scenario, I have been led to believe some states have regs that require banks to sell all reposessed vehicles to auction.
     
  7. Smiles

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    You can certainly get top dollar.

    I was in the room when this non-functioning display 365 GTB/C bid — and sold — for more than I had paid for my entire 330 GT 2+2 in great condition, albeit ten year later.

    And that doesn’t include the buyer’s premium.

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  8. Marcel Massini

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    All it takes is one guy and a chandelier.

    Marcel Massini
     
  9. Texas Forever

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    But doesn't the chandelier need to be drunk? Just kidding...
     
  10. anunakki

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    Im considering getting rid of my California and may go the auction route as i do not want to deal with buyers directly. Its too much of a hassle for the small bump in price id get selling direct.
     
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  11. LVP488

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    When I bought my first used Ferrari 22 years ago I was proposed a car by a specialist dealership - I did not buy it but a few days later I attended an auction were it sold for more than what I could have bought it (the dealer told me the car would be there, so I went by curiosity).
    So it really did not make sense, why would someone buy a car they could have had for less just by looking at some paper ad?
    But it did happen...
     
  12. I'm 360 Canuck

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    That’s a good point.

    Although I’ve wondered if sellers just based their pricing on what it would most likely sell at (not dream or dealer prices) , took off some for auction fees etc and made it clear that it was as is/ where is, if it would sell just as fast and painlessly?
    As a buyer of lots of things with motors, I see lots of hot deals sell before I even get a chance to get in on the action. Priced right, anything moves.
     
  13. ZINGARA 250GTL

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    Auctioneers take upwards of 20% from buyers as a premium and between 20-30% commission from sellers. Something to consider when making the decision to sell.
     

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