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Wouldn't all Ferraris feel faster if............

Discussion in 'Ferrari Discussion (not model specific)' started by F1Ace, Jul 12, 2004.

  1. F1Ace

    F1Ace F1 Rookie

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    Woudn't all Ferraris feel faster if..........they had less throttle pedal range? Let me put forward a thought, and you tell me what you think.

    I find that full throttle position on my 328 is much further than on any other car I have ever driven. What happens then is what on other cars would be half throttle, on the F-car is only say a quarter throttle. So you "think" you're stepping into it....and nothing's happening! Whereas you are only in it for a quarter throttle, so you are disappointed. I think the pedal at 3/4 position on an F-car, previous cars I've owned would be at full throttle. I had a Vette and it isn't rated as being faster than the 328, but it felt it. I know it had more torque, but I also attribute some to this issue. Also, since my replica is custom made, the throttle position is probably half what the F-car is, and so it feels faster, yet I know it isn't. A shorter throw would allow quicker, more dynamic requests.

    So, I have a few questions:
    1-Do you agree, are F-car throttles longer throw?
    2-Do you think the idea has merit to develop an accessory to pack more throttle into less movement?
    3-Have any of you seen the linkage where the pedal is hinged, is this possible to modify?
    4-Should we all ask Hill Engineering to look into this?

    Comments?

    Wes
     
  2. enjoythemusic

    enjoythemusic F1 World Champ

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    The shorter the "throw", the less control (per se) you have. It is akin to the amount of turns the steering wheel takes to make a turn. The longer it is, the finer the "resolution" of differences.

    Technically, what i mean is, since it takes more physical room to make an adjustment, the adjustments are finer for the same physical amount of movement.
     
  3. castex

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    The number of times I've floored it when I really thought I already had...
    Answer to Q1: Yes
    Q2: No way
    3: No, might be
    4: No
     
  4. Smiles

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    American cars have historically had a short, even abrupt, throttle pedal range of motion. The idea being that an unsuspecting driver would, on a quick test drive, be impressed with the sudden amount of power. Good for a first impression, bad for good car control.
     
  5. F1Ace

    F1Ace F1 Rookie

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    Yes, but there is such a thing as TOO MUCH gradiation. F-cars have soft power delivery as it is, so you would never get a "surge" like on a torquey V8. Nobody's advocating undrivable throttle response, there's a middle ground too.

    Wes
     
  6. ze_shark

    ze_shark Formula 3

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    Soft power delivery ? Maranello, anyone ?
     
  7. F1Ace

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    I'm referring to the 308's and 328's, over which there is constant complaining on this web site about lack of power.

    Constant.

    Wes
     
  8. steve f

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    are you lazy or what just put your foot down its not hard
     
  9. enjoythemusic

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    Wes, these are DECADES old cars. For their time they were very good, yet time has marched on. If you want MODERN power turbo/NOS/Blower the 3x8... or buy a modern car.
     
  10. smsmd

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    The idea is an old one. Mercedes started changing the throttle map in their extremely slow (0-60 in 30 sec) non-turbo diesels back in the seventies-80% throttle with 20% pedal movement. Of course, you got next to nothing for the next 80% pedal push.

    US pushrod V8s can feel similar; ie, my Ford Explorer has a bit of surge in the initial settings.

    Today, you can get the same thing with the M3 SMG; change to sport mode and the throttle map changes to make the car feel faster and more responsive.

    To me, since the real gain in power is zero, I don't see the advantage. The throttle in the 360 seems fine to me as is. I would prefer linear settings.

    steve
     

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