348 vs F355F1

It must be hard for you to understand, NO ONE WANTS AN F1. Hence why the manual transmissions command a premium. Anytime you would like to compare your automotive ownership experiences with mine, just let me know.

 

Ditto.....

 

Hahahaha

My ownership experiences compared to yours? Can we include airplanes too? How about wives? Where does this silliness stop?

Dude, it is a choice. A choice you do not like, because, as you stated it is too expensive for you. The maintenance costs are past your comfort level.

Whatever. This is great!

 

Just because you don't want one dosen't mean No one does. Even if you capitilize the words.

 

omg would you two shaddap. My god.

Anyway, this thread has spoken.
348 all the way.

 

To the OP
I can tell you an F1 will not cost you10s of thousands of dollars.
What I cannot tell you is if you will like it, only you can.
Go read about how to drive one, then go drive one.
Then you will know.
Then you can buy what you like.

 

Sorry I don't follow what averaging more than someone who doesn't own the car have to do with my question? I'm asking how many miles F1 drivers average per year to see if there are any higher mileage examples who can give us a better idea of reliability and cost. Driving an F1 car for 1-2,000 miles a year and saying it's reliable isn't the best example.

I put around 800 miles a month on mine before I put it up for sale. I don't mind getting an F1 in the future but want to have a better idea of what reliability to expect.

 

I think saying a car has gone 15.5K miles with zero F1 issues is a very valid data point. What would it matter if those miles are done in 1 month or 20 years?

 

You keep insinuating that expense is what kept me away from owning an F1, over looking the fact that I owned a manual transmission 355. Manual transmission 355's sell for more than F1's. The reason for that is that the F1 is terrible. So it was expense that sent you towards buying the least expensive of the 2. There is only one reason to buy an F1, and thats if you are an amputee.

Back on subject... I prefer a 348 to the 355 manual. An F1 I would never buy even at a fraction of the cost.

 

Even Yugo's made it to 15k miles

 

I'm not at liberty to share the exact details of the transactions but I can tell you that within the last 2-3 years, the record high sales have been F1's

How many 355 F1's have you driven as a sample size to make this statement? I've driven several including the one I own and none of your points are factual based on my experience and sample size.

 

Two identical cars, mileage/service history/condition/year the manual is worth more.

How many have I driven? When forced, several . All terrible.

 

Gentlemen,

At the end of the day, different people will have different wants. Some people will prefer the six-speed, others the F1. The long term cost of the F1 may be more due to just the added complexity, but if you're buying an F355, and you're scared of the maintenance involved with servicing an F1, frankly - you shouldn't buy it. One has to accept all of the cars require above average maintenance (and cost) if you can't wrench on them yourself.

Coming from an owner of the most loathed Ferrari (perhaps car) of all time, I've learned you have to buy the car you want - even if the world hates it. The only way to know that for sure is to drive/experience the different models and come to your OWN conclusion. Not saying, of course, one shouldn't ask and get a pulse of general likes/dislikes - but you can read every post on this forum like reading every book about sex, and you'll still won't *truly* know 'your truth' until you're in the saddle yourself.

I am just trying to save the OP some time.

The right question the OP should be asking is what the best way to go about test driving a 348, 355 F1, and a 355 6 Speed.

That's a great topic to ask the collective brain trust. After the OP did that, come back and report to us the conclusion on which you picked and why - that would be a fantastic thread as well.

Best wishes.

 

Man. Have you really missed the nuance of all my posts to you? You don't see it all do you?

Good luck man.... good luck.

 

Not true and I have data to support it.

 

Manual worth more. End of story. As for OP, go drive them all and report back. Inmo the 348 is the better of the 2. Id recommend driving a Testarossa and a 308/328 as well. All three of those are better than the 355 inmo as well.

And btw, the 355 F1 is not the worst transmission from Ferrari. Try a Mondial with the Valeo clutchless shift. lol

 

Do you have experience with a Mondial with Valeo? Truth please.

 

Ha ha

 

Interesting that you never mention here that you own a white TR.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/testarossa-picture-thread.463640/page-14#post-146306131

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/couple-pics-from-yesterday.591639/

And a Murcielago:

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/test-drove-tr-today-questions.590428/#post-146350186

But yet you're looking at buying another white TR at BJ today.

3,580 mile white TR at Barrett Jackson next weekend (one owner)

 

Eddie the most I drove my car was about 700 times and 15000 miles in about 3 years.

It was not long after that, that I had to replace the motor for the F1 which cost 600 bucks, bolts in, and you do not bleed anything, and it takes about 1 hr diy.

The original had about 30000 on it by then. The only other one I was aware of with similar life was xenu I believe. His car was also well maintained.

Like many Ferraris not a lot of mileage on them.

 

The F1 will be a better investment than the 348...100%.

1) What all you vagina's don't realize is the F1 system works fantastic if you understand how to use it. I think the only people I know that didn't like it were people who don't really grasp what's going on inside and use it accordingly.

2) The F1 GTS is the rarest variant of the 355. F1 GTB being second.

3) Being a semi-automatic opens up the car to more buyers around the world. Younger people in general will likely never know what a manual transmission car is let alone how to operate one. When they go looking for the oldest Ferrari they can drive...what's that going to be?

4) The maintenance issues with the F1 system have more or less been resolved. The only anomaly outstanding is the TCU, but I'm sure someone with reverse engineer one once the demand presents itself. GTE Engineering in Florida can rebuild your entire F1 system back to factory specs (or better) for a reasonable amount.

5) Subjective, but the 355 looks better in every way in my opinion, especially with a challenge grille. It's ironic that most of the favourite mods people with 348's like to do from an appearance standpoint are 355 styling cues.

All that said, I'm not hating on the 348. It's a great car and looks great in its own way...but for me (biased, sure) it was the 355 F1 all the way. If you really want a more analog look and feel, then maybe the 348 is for you. The F1 system on the 355, to me, is the perfect blend of analog and digital. It's the sweet spot between too much power/aid on the later cars and too little power/aid on the older.

 

They all ready have a transmission ecu i think its 2100 and was discussed on here

 

Rod drew is making reproduction F1 TCU's. He already has several successfully functioning in cars. That issue is solved.

 

He’s driven a 308/328/Testarossa/348/F355/355 so I’m sure he’s driven one of the 18 Mondial T Valeo’s and is an expert on that as well.


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I concur