How offensive are special edition clone body kits?

Yes! That's right! The Squalo! I forgot the name. Yeah see I'd feel more comfortable driving that car without the Ferrari badge than I would driving a 250 GTE converted to look like a 250 SWB. I wouldn't care that it doesn't say Ferrari on it, in fact I'd prefer it in that case because its honest. I'd be buying it for the driving experience and seeing the beauty of the shape in my driveway every morning. I think since it is effectively a 250 SWB parts car with some upgrades you would be able to say to yourself that it was a 250 SWB experience (especially since at this point half those cars have the same parts in them anyway) but it would be for you, not to show off to someone else.

 

Some users are still trying to distort the poll to support their positions. It was created by me in an attempt to gain some quantification of multi-variate sentiment that might lead to a more interesting discussion rather than unending one-dimensional tit-for-tat (pro- or anti-clone). The themes were developed by extracting the stereotypical positions expressed on the thread or previously expressed in similar threads. There were 4 pro-clone themes and 4 anti-clone themes expressed. But reducing them to pro- or anti- isn't meaningful, the themes target additional variations that require thought and analysis. Each theme was expressed in the voice of the stereotypical user expressing them. In other words, an anti-clone person would likely use "poseur", while a pro-clone person might well use "homage".

It is a multi-choice poll, so analysis requires much more effort than has been attempted. Positions that lead in the poll are not as significant as users try to distort them to be. It is quite possible to choose themes that are seemingly contradictory. As an example a person wanting to express: "I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It", would rationally check "They are sold to poseurs to create a false impression" as well as "An owner should be able to do whatever they want". This merges disapproval of clones with the broader position of support for property rights, a moral/esthetic principle in conflict with a legal principle.

 

My comments were expressed to both you and Paul, but your over-reaction and presumption that it was addressed solely to you is notable. You asked a question, so you should expect a range of answers. If you are unable to deal with the answers, then don't ask the question.

 

Just feels like you are trying too hard to find folks who agree with you. Is this thread going to change your intention? Just follow your own path.


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Your perception that your use of "plurality" was ignored is incorrect. My comment

was in the context of "plurality" and your incorrect analysis of the significance of the plurality of that choice.

Also my comment

was addressed to both you and Paul.

As far as why I didn't correct Paul about who created the poll, it was because you had already corrected him. Further, I had already made a post earlier in the thread at the time of poll creation about what I did. I don't need to waste time repeating something I've already said and you've already said.

 

No. You're still distorting the poll to try and prove your point.

First, "Cloning is a good thing" is your opinion. However, "There is no majority consensus condemning the practice within this community" is not provable based on the limitations of the forum software for multi-choice polls. I can construct a "majority" consensus for either pro- or anti-clone sentiment based on hypothetical choice clusters and different assumed population sizes, but it would only be hypothetical and not provable either way.

You and Paul keep comparing "They are sold to poseurs to create a false impression" and "An owner should be able to do whatever they want", but they are on very different sentiment axes. The two choices that more nearly (but still not exactly) represent opposing positions on the same sentiment axis is the pair "They are sold to poseurs to create a false impression" and "There's nothing wrong as long as owners don't pretend otherwise", which happens to be 23 to 14 right now. However, I would not claim a provable sentiment for that pair either for the same reasons stated.

This whole topic has been discussed dozens of times here and most long time users have a pretty good sense of how the forum feels about it. If you searched, you apparently didn't find them because you used a different word than usual. Here are just a few.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/replicas.4396/

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/vintage-replicas.4649/

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/replicas.6675/

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/ferrari-replicas.158966/

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/ferrari-replicas.325595/

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/replicas.382038/

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/replicas-why-bother.409243/

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/crappy-replicas-thread.19010/

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/not-crappy-replicas.369795/

 

I expected you were going to take only what supported you from them, but they don't prove you right or wrong. You can cherry pick pro comments and someone else can cherry pick anti comments. There are plenty of both, same as this thread.

 

You appear to be unable to distinguish between someone correcting you for how you're misusing data with someone disagreeing with your opinion.

Your emphatic statement above about no majority consensus is not provable from any data or posts presented so far. You seem so anxious to "win" that you overlook the "rules" you break along the way. The main one being that you're trying to reach a quantitative conclusion but keep counting incorrectly or don't even have the numbers. I'm not posting to pick a side (I included Paul in the earlier correction). I'm posting to point out that the attempt was "no score" and the ball is still "in play".

 

That's not my rule, that is Ferrari/GTO. They actually have an agreement.

Look @Golden Steed peace offering. Let's start with areas of agreement. Which is a lot actually.

1) We agree owners should legally be allowed to do anything they want to the appearance of their cars.
2) We agree that it's solely the owner's prerogative
3) We agree that certain mods/body kits are in good taste
4) We agree that it's never right to lie about what you have
5) We agree on vintage cars, some reproductions are actually superior and quite accepted/common (Cobras, Speedsters, etc)

I think the only point of disagreement left is the term 'up-badging.'

I think it is in supremely poor taste, but given that, advise as long as the owner likes it - that's all that truly matters.

You believe it should be socially accepted in car culture.

I'm always happy to agree to disagree. Kind regards.

 

It’s cool man, I already said it’s okay to disagree. World would be a pretty boring place if everyone had the same tastes.

 

This is both wise and productive. Well said.

 

I’m having a hard time following, are you not for cloning (late model Ferrari)?

If you changed your mind that’s cool.

 

@Golden Steed olive branch. You have your style. I respect it, and will be for real, sincere, genuinely, honest, and upfront that you like it.

more power to you and I wish you happy driving in whatever vehicle you choose!

Truthfully,
Paul

 

Really great insights here, really enjoyed reading it.