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  1. Eric360

    Eric360 Formula 3

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    My 2002 360 spider just threw some CEL error codes. The OBD II reader says:

    P0030 - HO2S Heater Control Circuit Bank 1 Sensor 1
    P1135 - O2 sensor heater, precat - ECU #1

    Does anyone know what this malfunction may be due to? What are the corrective actions??

    Thanks.

    Eric
     
  2. autowerks9

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    Both error codes refer to the bank 1 sensor 1 o-2 sensor. the o-2 sensor has a heater element internal to the sensor to allow it to reach temp. sooner for closed loop . The code found could be :
    1. the engine control computer
    2. the connections/wiring
    3. the sensor itself

    The weak link in the system is the sensor itself more than likely the heater element has burned out. No that uncommon now a days with the Ethenol blended fuel. Ethenol has a higher flash point and we have seen an increase in sensor failure.

    Daignosis would be a scanner that monitors the sensor values. Or to pin test the values at the sensor to see if the heater element has an opening or incorrect resistance. I would asume both codes are pointing to a bad sensor.

    David
     
  3. Eric360

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    Thanks. I'll bring it into the shop. Is it something that should be done immediately?
     
  4. JoshECS

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    Agreed, This most likely is a fault in the O2 sensor. You definetly want to fix it ASAP, this sensor is critical to the ECU's ability to adjust the air/fuel ratio.
     
  5. f355spider

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    If you are reasonably handy, this can be done yourself. The Bosch O2 sensors can be purchased online, and you can typically install yourself in 20 or 30 minutes time. I have replaced mine on a couple occasions for the same codes (F355).
     
  6. Eric360

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    I am reasonably handy. Any installation pitfalls I should be warned about? Would I do any further damage by lousy installation???
     
  7. autowerks9

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    Just one connector and a threaded mount like a spark plug. Only issue is unthreading the
    old one. Some will have a tendency to corrode into place and take a little effor to remove use some CRC. Second is making sure you have the bank 1 sensor not bank 2 !!

    Pretty stright forward. unplug and remove old part. Install and plug in new part. Reset errors.

    David
     
  8. autowerks9

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    I believe they are 19mm...The removal trick is to cut the wire at the base of the
    sensor so you can remove it with a deep socket to get a better grip.

    David
     
  9. Eric360

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    I actually thought of replacing both o2 sensors, since the other one will probably fail in the near future. Which side is Bank 1?
     
  10. autowerks9

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    Bank 1 is the bank that houses the 1 -3 -5 -7 cylinders.

    David
     
  11. John Glen

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    Most auto supply / tool places sell special slotted deep sockets to facilitate the wire and remove undamaged. Just ask for a oxy sensor socket of the appropriate dimension, around ten bucks.
     
  12. yelcab

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    I think it is 1 2 3 4 and it is the passenger side for left hand drive cars. Sensor 1 is pre cat, sensor 2 is post cat. Good idea to replace both, but they are easy enough to do one at a time. When install, try not to twist the wires too much.
     
  13. Eric360

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    Looks like you can remove it more easily with a wrench rather than a socket. Actually, looks like a simple replacement. Everything is out in the open.
     
  14. f355spider

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    +1, I simply use an open end wrench. I would also recommend replacing BOTH pre cat O2 sensors. Skip the post cat, they have no bearing on engine function and are only there to monitor correct operation of the catalyst.

    I replaced one pre-cat, and the other failed about 9 months later...
     
  15. Eric360

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    Thanks for everyone's help. I'm going to give it a try. I think I've got everything. Just need to get the O2 sensors. Probably get them from Ricambi. They have a sale going...
     
  16. Ricambi America

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    It must be the season of O2 sensors.

    I'm doing the ones in my car this weekend. From the looks of things, the wire on my RH side was flopping around and probably got nicked or crimped or something.

    I have one of those goofy sockets for O2 sensors. They work fine, but you still have to deal with a twisty mess of wire and keep reseating the socket. For me, I'm to lazy to pull the fender liner (348) and use an open-end wrench, so the oxy-socket gets used.
     
  17. Eric360

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    Daniel - I ordered from you at 10:12am. Got a confirmation at 10:26am that it shipped. Now that's service!!!
     
  18. Ricambi America

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    I was in the office picking up my O2 sensor socket, and saw the order come through. Figured I might as well get 'er rolling !


    (BTW, changing out my 2 sensors took a whopping total of 35 minutes)
     
  19. Eric360

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    I figured I'd just tackle one first. Thanks for the super quick service.
     
  20. Eric360

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    Alright, I'm going to tackle this today. Just one last question. Will the CEL reset itself? I think not. Do I have to turn off the battery switch in the front to shut everything down and let the ECU reset? I think my OBD II reader has some sort of reset switch on it. Should I use this?
     
  21. f355spider

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    Yes, you must use the OBDII tool. If you eliminate the fault, it will clear itself eventually, but might take dozens of driving cycles to do so. Use the tool, clear it immediately. ;)
     
  22. Eric360

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    Replaced the o2 sensor and reset the code and everything is good. Thanks to all who gave advice. A rather simple fix. Now I just need to replace the other o2 sensor...
     

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