PLS HELP.. my 360 stopped completely on the road several times so far while driving..

Hi Ben,
Any codes after you restart the car?
When it shut down, what are the status on the panel board?
It happened to me on a m3, believe or not it was caused by a bad key ignition module. Every time I drive the car hard or bumpy roads the module shut the car down and the status on the dash board was like when you have the key on start position without turn the car on.
Maybe you can start from there?
It is hard to diagnose problem without having the car and see so e other behaviors.
Good luck.

David

 

Hi Ben, sorry to hear of your problems. It seems to like you need to find a mechanic with the correct diagnostic equipment to read your fault. There should be error codes stored in the computer which should give a technician a starting point fir repairs. You need someone with an SD2 (and knows how to use it) in order to start to find the cause of these problems.

Good luck.

 

I don't have a 360 but I would think your Ferrari dealer SHOULD be able to diagnose and fix this. There should be error codes in the computer, and if the people at your dealer don't know what they mean they should contact Maranello

Jim O

 

If you are lucky enough to have an independent mechanic who specialises in exotics then yes they should have an SD2. The units are reasonably expensive so not every independent is going to have one but someone who specialises in Ferrari Maserati, Lamborghini etc probably will or will have access to one when he needs it.

Have you tried posting in the regional section of this forum? Doing so would probably put you in direct contact with Ferrari owners much closer to where you live. Here's the link............http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=49

By the way, your gear selection problems sound like they could well be related to a worn clutch or to impending failure of the F1 hydraulic pump (or a number of other F1 related problems).

I suspect that your "engine dead" problems are an entirely different issue. The engine shouldn't ever die in a rolling situation so it's not your typical Check Engine Light (CEL) situation whereby an o2 sensor is throwing a code etc. All systems in the car are designed to "Fail-Safe" and what you are describing is most certainly not safe! It could be something as simple as a loose wire or connection or it could be something more complex like a component that is overheating and failing sporadically. You could try and rule out the basics by checking the security of as many connectors and plugs as possible but the problem with doing that might be that you will cause the issue to bury itself for a period, thereby making it harder for your mechanic to find the ultimate cause. Obviously the car is extremely dangerous for you and other road users in it's present state so I wouldn't advise that you drive it until you have a definitive repair.

 

Hi Ben,

I'd love to be able to help but I'm afraid I'm out of my depth.

Generally speaking, as I understand it, anything that throws the CEL or the F1 light should log the event in the computer.

I do feel that your engine dead problem is not your typical failure and so I suspect that it's entirely possible that no error code is logged for that.

I'm sure the problem can be found but (unfortunately) it might not be easy. Personally I'd be more inclined to try and find an independent mechanic to try and fix this problem. No doubt your authorised Ferrari dealer will charge by the hour and possibly just swap out different components until they finally achieve a fix. An independent, in my experience, is more likely to actually check and test and use good old fashioned logic to achieve the desired result.

Do try posting in your regional area to try and find someone who is held in high regard.

 

Your engine is being shut off by the F1 control unit, because there is a fault. In technical terms, if your clutch is extremely worn and goes over PIS (a measurment used by a sensor attached to the back of the clutch) the control unit will shut the engine down to prevent damage to the gearbox. It could also be a gear position sensor failure on the gearbox. If you have no luck getting it fixed PM me, i will be able to help you....

 

I know some cars have "limp home" modes that dramatically slow the car, but actually shutting it off completely? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

 

I agree - engine shut-off would be just too damn dangerous - doesn't happen in the event of oil pressure failure so I don't see it happening for a worn clutch. A worn clutch isn't going to damage the gearbox either, it's just going to slip and cause an ever increasing loss of traction between engine and gearbox.

Nor have I read any other reports of this dead engine syndrome but we've all read numerous posts about F1 warning light, failure to engage gear, shifting to neutral etc.

 

those two problems are most probably not related !

you probably have a bad ground somewhere...or temporary no ground at all

do not drive the car until you found the reason for the engine cutting out !

 

It DOES switch off the engine. It will do this to prevent damage to the gearbox if it detects "clutch over P.I.S". Imagine trying to shove a normal manual gearbox into gear without depressing the clutch pedal....expensive damage would result. That's why it switches off the engine. The T.C.U stores the shut down occurence as a p-code that can be read by the SD2.

 

F1 gearbox is smarter than that, it's not going to initiate gear engagement if the clutch isn't depressed.

 

Are all the battery connections tight? Is the ground (black) cable loose where it fastens to the chassis/body?

Friend of mine had his 360 keep conking out at intersections and such, and after several trips to the dealership (on a flatbed truck) they finally traced it to a loose ground connection.

I'm not familiar with the electrical system on the 360, but I'd certainly check for a loose ground for starts.

 

ben,have you considered some of the independent workshops here in singapore? there are 2 0r 3 that have sd2 and sd3 testers and have mechanics who have worked previously for the local ferrari dealership so they do have the experience and equipment to do the job. in fact 1 of them , i think exquisite marques, has a workshop in kl so they should be able to solve the problem there.

i have a 360 cs that had problem with f1 pump and gear position sensor.car could not engage gear properly but i dont recall engine shutting off completely,sounds like electrical/ignition related problem but im no techie.

 

btw u may want to consider posing your question on the 360/430 section also. probably more chance of owners there having experienced the same problem. read 1 thread where a 360 owner claimed car died due to key fob/alarm immobiliser /battery faulty.

 

Erm...that's my point....
If the clutch sensor measurement is deemed unsafe/incorrect, it shuts down the engine. I can post up reams of boring printouts from my Ferrari SD2 Tester to show you how/when if you like?

 

A friend of mine had the same problem on a 360 6spd many years ago and it was a bad ground connection. I would suggest you check and clean all the ground wires.

I used to have a BMW with an SMG gearbox and the default (failure) position for the gearbox is N for that transmision but I believe the F1 is also N. I am familiar with and have driven the Ferrari CS F1 box and it works the same. They are very sensitive and can produce a failure mode even if your flywheel/clutch is slipping, temp sensor fails or gets hot, fluid level is low or even if your rear main seal leaks on your clutch.

I had many headaches over that transmision and even the best factory diagnostic equipment was not able to pinpoint the failure. I had a dual mass flywheel that became lazy and the computer would get confused and drop the trans in N, and the clutch was perfect. In my opinion the car became unsafe and my wife didn't trust it anymore so we got rid of it.

My point... it could be any number of things. I hope you have a could diagnostic tech.

 

I've read many tens of threads on F1 problems, including gear selection problems, failure to engage gear, dumping back into neutral, flashing F1 warning lamps etc. I've never read of the engine being shut down in sympathy with any of those issues.

To the original poster, Ben, have you made any progress and if so can you share your findings at this time?

 

Engine shut down is a failsafe for F1 systems. Those of us like Eddie and myself that actually work on them see it all the time. It is designed to shutoff the motor when vehicle speed first goes below, I believe 10 kph after a serious fault.

If you have not seen it or heard of it maybe it is because you are lacking in experience?


Do not discount the advice of those that clearly know more than you.

 

You learn something new everyday!

This also include the 355, 430 etc.etc???

Cheers guys.