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Smoke, Bang and More Smoke.

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  1. Vitamin_J

    Vitamin_J Formula Junior

    Feb 4, 2006
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    So I take the car out this afternoon, get about a mile down the road at 3k rpms and smoke is pouring from the motor and engine sounds like a pots and pans band.

    Local mechanic who works on my Porsche comes up and puts his hand on the belt which is basically gummy from the heat. We started the car and it sounds like war. He thinks it is a pulley or the like.

    Tow the car to his shop and he is going to take a look at it from the under the car tomorrow.

    The 30k service was just done in July of 2005. I'm ok if it is a belt and $5k service again, but I fear that the motor may have 'grenaded' as I read through the archives. Does this have the potential to be catostrophic? It really sounded bad. Like a series of gun shots and it didn't come from the exhaust.

    I called Ferrari of Washington and they might be two weeks out before they can get to the car. When I told the service manager what had happened, his response was 'oh no'.

    Is this something you would have a Ferrari friendly shop look at, or are we in dealer only territory?
     
  2. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Have it handled by the shop that did the major. If it is their work that is the cause, work it out.

    But for now just wait and see. It could be very minor.
     
  3. Senna1994

    Senna1994 F1 World Champ

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    If a belt broke depending on the RPM' s you probably bent some valves. But whoever did the major should be looking at it, especially if this was a belt problem. Either way good luck to you.
     
  4. Vitamin_J

    Vitamin_J Formula Junior

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    Thanks for the replies. The major was done by Ferrari of Central Florida. I purchased the car and had it shipped to the DC area where I live. Hence, I won't be able to get it to FofCF. Majorly bummed.
     
  5. BH1

    BH1 Formula Junior

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    Jody,
    call me on my cell......... When you look back through the service records I gave you there arent many things that were not replaced in October by FoCF. That sucks.
     
  6. SrfCity

    SrfCity F1 World Champ

    Wow, that can't be good. Hope you get it worked out with minimal pain.
     
  7. bobafett

    bobafett F1 Veteran

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    If you can't get it down (obviously), find a good independant in your area but definitely call the dealership that did the work and explain to them what's going on. You'll likely have to have the two parties coordinate.

    --Dan
     
  8. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
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    Pretty much any competent tech should beable to pin point the issue..hopefully its nothing major..what ever you do, don't start the car. Leave it to the shop to determine the source of the noise.
     
  9. GCalo

    GCalo F1 Veteran

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    Jodi,

    Fix and keep the car but move away from Fantasy Island fast!
     
  10. Vitamin_J

    Vitamin_J Formula Junior

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    HA! Trust me I could use the laugh right about now.

    The tech read the last two numbers on the belt as 01. Does this mean that the belt's mfg date was 2001? Records from the previous owner date the service in 2005. I wonder if it is at all possible that the dealer installed an older (in stock languishing) belt on the car Does anyone know how to determine the age of the belt? While it was 1 year ago, the car has had less than 1,500 miles on it since.

    Thanks for the call BH. You would have needed a crystal ball to forsee this one.
     
  11. 285ferrari

    285ferrari Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I have never seen a date stamped on a belt. Maybe Fcar belts are different...
     
  12. SrfCity

    SrfCity F1 World Champ

    Anythings possible here including them not being changed when indicated.
     
  13. van22

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    were the cam belt tensioners done at the time of the belts? if the person was planning to sell the car he might not have wanted to change them and save the 800 bucks. just had everything done on my car at algar ferrari and they went over all the parts that were'nt perfect and made it my choice ended up costing me a extra 3k
     
  14. Vitamin_J

    Vitamin_J Formula Junior

    Feb 4, 2006
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    I trust the seller and he called me upon seeing this thread. I also have receipts totaling over $30k spent on this car. Even minor issues were addressed so I can safely say that no expense was spared.

    I'll take a $3k repair in a second right about. Will update tomorrow as I learn more.

    Thanks for all of the replies.
     
  15. GCalo

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    #15 GCalo, Mar 25, 2006
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    Jodi,

    I do not believe the "01" refers to the year. I believe it's a portion of the part number which I cannot verify from here.

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  16. 575M-Nero

    575M-Nero Formula Junior

    Feb 25, 2006
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    Sounds like a top end problem, ie: valves or valvesprings or cam timing (belts?).

    Hopefully none of the valves went thru the pistons. You want to ease off the rpm's and park the car when this happens. It will sound like loud misfiring and a very rough running motor.

    Hope you didn't rev the motor after the first bang.
     
  17. GCalo

    GCalo F1 Veteran

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    Jodi,

    The factory P/N for the timing belt is "184986". I believe this is the "1" you are seeing.

    I doubt the belt is the age you mentioned.
     
  18. tstafford

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    Any update on the cause and result? (Hoping for the best).
     
  19. Vitamin_J

    Vitamin_J Formula Junior

    Feb 4, 2006
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    Unfortunately, my mechanic had a personal issue come up and won't get to it until Sunday.

    Been a painful couple of days not knowing. I'll post with pics when I get to the car in the morning.
     
  20. ItaliaF1

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  21. 575M-Nero

    575M-Nero Formula Junior

    Feb 25, 2006
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    Was the smoke black, blue or white?
     
  22. Simon^2

    Simon^2 F1 World Champ

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    Jody,

    Any news. Hope it's not too bad... I feel bad for you.

    Simon.
     
  23. tstafford

    tstafford Formula Junior

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    Same - we all feel for you, I am sure. News?
     
  24. Vitamin_J

    Vitamin_J Formula Junior

    Feb 4, 2006
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    Still waiting... I'm convinced that my local guy can't make a call here. He continues to ask for more time.

    Ferrari of Washington is going to pick it up tomorrow and should have a look before Friday. The smoke was black. Does this lend any clues?

    Thanks for the thoughts guys.
     
  25. 575M-Nero

    575M-Nero Formula Junior

    Feb 25, 2006
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    Black would be overly rich, fuel problem. Like something is not firing right and not burning all the injector fuel in the cylinder.

    Were you hearing backfiring/misfiring type of explosions or metal to metal banging coming from low on the motor? Rod knock/spun bearing will sound like a pan being banged.

    I think it's a top end issue.
    Can you describe the noise again?
    Exploding misfires/backfiring or a rod knock?

    With the belt setup on F-Cars, does sound like something could have slipped and the timing is off causing misfires without breaking the belt. Timing off, maybe some bent valves. Better a top end problem than a bottom end. Could be wrong, just thinking...
     

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