Recall 812 Superfast

Your car came of the line in 2020, does it have a GPF?

 

I am reminded of this exact situation with a Porsche GT2. I think it was a 2008 and the owner had 3 motors fail. It got to the point where he was afraid to take the GT2 any great distance for fear of being stranded. After getting the car back with motor number 4 installed he sold the car.

 

Guess I’m totally off the curve. IMHO, the ideal scenario is a Ferrari Collection composed of a 6cyl, 8cyl, and 12cyl. I can be wrong about this, but don’t want to be right. Forza!

 

OK. Let's start with the simple ones:

The reason why you cannot locate it is that I never made any statement here about USA production not being close to 50% of EU production.

Next: the point did make is that your claim that for the 812SF:

does not make sense. Given 1062 USA cars vs a total of 4762 (as per post #67) is in line with the c 25% of global production being USA. I will address the minor difference between Ferrari's published figures of c30% for all of the Americas vs just USA later. If, as you claim, the expected numbers were to be double, 45%+ of total 812SF would have been heading to the USA, which is infeasible given the size of other markets e.g. EMEA 46-48%, APAC 22%.


Further: You claim

Where is the evidence that there are twice as many F12s as 812SF in the USA? That also would be 45% of F12 production which doesn't make sense, especially as 2100+ F12's are in Europe (https://carsalesbase.com/europe-ferrari-f12-berlinetta/) and the total production is estimated to be very similar to the 812 at 4641 units globally (www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/147430842). If as you claim there are twice as many F12s as 812s in the US, then those c 2200 units plus Europe's 2100 would account for almost all of production, leaving the APAC, Middle East etc which account for around quarter of the production with hardly any F12s (c 7%). Again makes no sense.

Finally, USA 25% vs Americas 30% of Ferrari production. This is a small difference, and an estimate. In your posts you refer to USA being 30% of the share

Ferrari does not publish a USA share, just for the Americas. That number is c 30%. So I have estimated 5% as for Canada & C. & S. America. S. America was a 2% market for Ferrari back in 2006 (https://wardsintelligence.informa.com/WI040159/Ferrari-North-America-to-Head-South) and I would imagine if it all, it has only grown since. Secondly, Canada estimate from (https://canada.autonews.com/retail/canadian-sales-down-2019-lets-not-panic-analysts-say) which c 2%+. Happy?
You can disregard this and say no cars go to Canada & South America, and the conclusion doesn't change materially.

So having asked us to submit evidence for our statements, perhaps it is time for you to justify your grand claims of:

1) There are half as many 812SF in the US as F12
2) Half as many US 812SF were delivered vs expectation

Thank you. Looking forward to your answers to the mystery of the "halves".

 

I checked in thailand where i live, its confirmed issue also for asian sector and they are sending to the dealers to fix every car so all good

 

1) There are half as many 812SF in the US as F12

I have previously understood there were about 2200 F12s in the USA; And, in 2017 and 2018, USA vs EU are nearly identical and for most if not all the time F12 was in production, 'Americas' production exceeded EU, so I can only presume the total F12 production was higher than you found

2) Half as many US 812SF were delivered vs expectation

I learned this by directly speaking with about 15 USA dealers between March and May 2019, so I have been repeating what I learned in many separate, private conversations.

And, if you compare the chart on page 40 of the 2019 Annual Report, you will find that the (%) EU countries list(add together) are nearly identical to the "America" (other than 2019 where the difference is about 7%), so, the fact that 2089 EU and 1063 USA makes it very obvious the USA was under-provisioned, this directly correlates with those dealer discussions I had noted above. Not only that, but the 'other' countries in the Americas, together, are quite likely less than 3% of the total for Americas, otherwise they would merit their own separate breakout (i.e. Middle East merits its own separate mention and is above 3% for each year)


Other points to ponder:

For the period 2013-2016, the 'Americas' production exceeded EU each year.

For the period 2013-2016, 5287 (V12s) were produced (excluding GT models), that leaves out 2012 and 2017 (probably an additional 1600 V12s not including 599 and 812 overlaps), so, the number of F12s produced is likely more than 5000, and probably higher if 2012 + 2017 production exceeds 1600 which is quite possible.

Below is from page 38 of the 2016 Annual Report
https://corporate.ferrari.com/sites/ferrari15ipo/files/2016_12_31_-_ferrari_nv_annual_report_0.pdf

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https://corporate.ferrari.com/sites/ferrari15ipo/files/ferrari_nv_-_2015_annual_report_feb_25_final.pdf

 

Ok, so for the first question you have no basis and the second one you spoke to a bunch of dealers and have repeated it here as fact, despite available evidence to the contrary.

Enough said. Thank you. Back to flying windows on the 812.

 

Yes, please.

Marcel Massini

 

Correction re total production of 812 Superfast (Coupés).
The number built is not 4762 but actually 4851.

Marcel Massini

 

More than 5000 in fact.

 

I can't believe the 812 won't auto time change. DST etc. Now I have to figure where and how to set the time.

 

I see another recall on the horizon

Seriously, though, it is on the left hand display panel, and using the joystick to get to settings and then there is a date/time item. Took me while to find it.

 

Mine was in European format DD/MM/YY
And I had to set it that way.

 

Was reading some posts on goggle don't you have to turn off parking sensors or something

 

Maranello is in Italy which is in Europe.

Marcel Massini

 

And the North America allocation was around 20% of total production? Isn't N.A. allocation on most models closer to 30%?

 

These cars have clocks? Who knew!?

 

Some owners get the odometer mixed up with the other clock, which shows depreciation

 

FYI, my local dealer (Cauley) finally is prepared to start servicing this recall. When I first emailed them about it a month ago (after reading it on here), they hadn’t even heard of it yet.

 

I have not received any official recall notice from Ferrari for my 2019 812. Upon my own inspection of the rear hatch glass, I noticed that there is movement in the glass when the left lower corner is pressed down from the outside. The other three corners and perimeter appear to be secure.

 

My local dealer is in the process of moving service department locations. I haven't bothered to ask about it, and have yet to receive any formal notice regarding the recall. I've done about 140mph with the windows cracked, and my glass hasn't flown off (yet).

 

I understand the replacement material still isn't ready yet.
They will need 5'041 rear window glasses plus additional material.

Marcel Massini

 

You are too slow.......

Marcel Massini

 

What is the serial number of your 812?
You may want to PM me, if you like.

Marcel Massini

 

My goal wasn't to get the glass to fly off lol. Keep it below 160 till the glass is replaced