The official replica/re-creation thread

Thank you, Kare. Yours is the best contribution so far in this thread.
Marcel Massini

 

I never said a replica was the real thing.

Anyone trying to pass off a replica as the real thing should be arrested and tried for fraud.... then tossed in jail.

Anyone looking to buy a $ 7 figure price tag rare Ferrari who does not do his due diligence in researching the cars history and correctness is an idiot. I do not dispute what you are saying, I guess there are plenty of criminals out there playing with these cars. But they are criminals. Were I looking to purchase such a car, I would simply pay someone like you a fair fee to research it and consult on the transaction. Money well spent. Those who do not take such transactions seriously may get what they asked for.

All that said... I STILL would love to have a perfect SWB replica. Would I trade my Daytona for one? Hell no.




Terry

 

Good question. Marcel?

 

Alaska is the 50 state of america, in my knowledge.

y was surprised too, but the car was in ny continents italia,fance,brasil,usa
may be one of the owner was originated of Alaska (i can t imagined this
there s no Ferrari garage!)
if i remenber Jess took it, at the end of 80 years.
when the prices are on the top!

 

THANK YOU
THANK YOU
THANK YOU
What a relief.
Every Daytona in the world is a better car than any replica SWB.
Marcel Massini

 

Jess Pourret acquired 0274 MM in 1987 from Bob Rubin. In 1992, following the restoration, the car was registered by Pourret in Alaska. He lives in Chiang Mai, Thailand, and France. The car is usually stored in France. I took the pix 10 September 2002 at Château de Gilly in France.
Marcel Massini

 

So you're saying that EVERY print or lithograph of a classic masterpiece painting should be removed from every picture frame across the civilized world because they are not the REAL paintings? The nerve of those people to actually frame and display a FRAUDULENT COUNTERFEIT without clearly posting a disclaimer under the picture to inform everyone of their scandelous intentions of deceiving the public. The nerve of those pathetic paupers to actually attempt to display and enjoy the image of an artistic masterpiece. Don't they know that displaying such counterfeits OFFENDS the sensitive nature of the multimillionaires that can afford the REAL thing?

We should all definitely cater our wants and desires to coincide with the delicate exclusivity of the toys of the ultra rich so as not to offend them. Please cover your art prints and close the garage door so that your REPLICA Ferrari will not offend the sensitive nature of the owners of the REAL Ferraris.

 

I'd like to mention two recent examples I know all about:

1) A guy in Germany owned a REPLICA of a Dino 206 S Spider (racing car), based on a normal street Dino 246 GT. He had the German TüV (Technischer Ueberwachungs Verein, that's something like the DMV in USA, the authorities which inspect the cars) issue an appraisal. The man from the TüV/DMV didn't know anything about Ferraris, wrote a ten page appraisal, based on the owner's stories and valued the car at more than 2 Million Euros (about US$ 2.4 Million). The replica owner then went with this appraisal/valuation to his local bank and got a huge credit. Later, it was all discovered. The man disappeared, never paid back anything. It became an insurance problem, among others. The insurance called me. The rest is history. The car was actually worth the value of a normal 246 Dino GT plus modifications done. Big loss for the bank.

2) There is a totally genuine and authentic 250 GT California Spider in Germany (NO, I will not tell if it is an LWB or SWB California Spider). It is owned since many years by a renowned collector. Last week I was in Italy visiting a private individual. He owns an identical car that uses exactly the same serial number as the car in Germany. Since 30 years! THAT replica in Italy was built in the 1970s already and is a very good replica. Since the Italian never showed his car anywhere, nobody ever realised it. The German owner of the real car is NOT amused, trust me. This will soon become a major legal problem.

This is one of many reasons why keeping track of all these cars is so important these days and why replicas should never be tolerated in the Ferrari world. I could easily tell you ten more similar stories.

Marcel Massini

 

I have several very nicely framed prints of Monet in my home. Why? Because looking at them makes me happy and I do not have tens of millions $$$ for the real thing.

I would like a SWB or GTO replica if it were very near perfect. Why? Because driving it would make me happy. Why do I not own one? Because for what they cost there are other cars which are real that make me just as happy.

To me, the issue is largely price. A great SWB or GTO replica seems like a $250K or so car these days. You can get a great Daytona for that. No comparison for me... real Daytona gets my money every time. But if that SWB replica cost the same as 308 or 328... then the SWB would be in my garage. Hmmmmm or perhaps a real E-Type Jag would be?

While I like the top end replicas and they do appeal and I "get" why those who buy them do so.... at the end of the day to me I guess they are just not worth the money they bring.



Terry

 

better than your contributions?
such modesty!

 

he lives in Chang Mai, the roads are "terrefic" in this place.
i hope for him that cars stay all in France. Fiscality reduction Alsaka.
in French Alaska it s: le trou du cul du monde!

I prefer real Van Gogh, but i know too that a copy of Van Gogh cost
much more than an original. i m refering to "les tournesols", interresting story.
now if you ask to me why the value it s much more expensive than original
i think it s about the ignorance of experts.

 

I agree that keeping track of them is important. Clearly there are too many criminals and liars out there.

But if a car is properly presented as a replica, the owner openly states its a replica, then no fraud is being perpetrated. Everyone knows what it is and is not, everyone can appreciate it for what it is and the owner can have fun driving it. Nobody loses.

You want to totally exclude the replica owners from having any fun with their cars at Ferrari events and such. Such an attitude very well may push replica owners to try and spin their cars as the real thing so they can play with them and have fun.

I would prefer that Ferrari and marque experts like you set up a replica registry or something. Then let each registered replica get stamped on the chassis and body with a replica registry ID, detail everything about it within the replica registry and then let the owners come play. That way the opportunity for fraud is greatly reduced, we get to see more of these cars driven in anger more often and the owners get to have fun. Seems such a concept would solve everyones problem with these cars. Of course we know why such a thing will never happen.



Terry

 

It is really amazing to watch the reactions EVERY time replicas are discussed on ferrarichat. See also former posts in threads such as the "212 Barchetta Touring" auctioned by RM Auctioneers at Scottsdale in January 2006 and other posts in the "250 GT PF Coupé" thread.
Marcel Massini

 

Would you guys convert an MR-2 into a 355? Or even buy one already done?

I'm guessing not.

In my mind it's the same thing as buying a fake rolex, I really can't see the point.

The genuine articles exist and if I'm ever fotunate enough to own one then some of my dreams have come true, but if not I can always feel happy that there are enough enthusiasts with the resoursces out there to do buy these cars and preserve them for future generations.

To counter the argument about paintings etc. Home many people do you know that try to pass of the picture of the Last Supper in their front room as an original - again, not many i'm guessing...

Having said that, we're all entitled to our own points of views, otherwise the world would be a frightfully dull place...

Andy

 

Ohhh dont pay too much attention to Arlie. He is a troll. His purpose is just to get a rise out of you. Its an intardnet thing. Just ignore him.... thats what the rest of us do.



Terry

 

Marcel! Whisky!

 

Marcel, I said exactly the same thing in the "Great debate" over on that OTHER thread concerning the car that we can't mention over here. I stated something to the effect that the "blue haired old ladies" at the DMV would licensed anything as long as the fee was paid. And that as time goes buy, the DMV "documentation" can be used as alleged "proof" concerning a car's documentation. But that "proof" is just worthless DMV paperwork typed up by a blue hair old lady who knows absolutely nothing concerning the history of a rare Ferrari. And as you indicated, that's "why keeping track of all these cars is so important."
As I said several years ago, time and tall tales will DRIFT a car toward BECOMING that car. Suppose that the German car was destroyed in an accident and the Ferrari collectors of the world were never privy to that fact. The Italian car could "become" THE car, even though it is a replica.

 

yes sometimes i got the same feeling.
Marcel ! double scotch!

 

I'm especially annoying when I quote my own postings from years ago that say exactly what Marcel is indicating.

 

Trust me, I do keep track of (certain) replicas too. Simply because it may one day help to separate the real cars from the replicas.
And, btw, as you know, Ferrari has introduced the factory certification and authentification program (see their website). Even if they (perhaps) have introduced this program mainly with the intention of making more money, I still think it does also help the real and genuine Ferraris.
Marcel Massini

 

i like story like that, Marcel you are "IL CAVALIERI" hope my italian is correct.

 

Quote :

"This is one of many reasons why keeping track of all these cars is so important these days and why replicas should never be tolerated in the Ferrari world. I could easily tell you ten more similar stories."

by : Marcel Massini

If I may add my 2 cents, let me tell you this short story :

In 1977, I attended a Shelby American Automobile Club convention in Hershey, Pennsylvania. There were many restored and unrestored Cobras. They were all real ones. Today, try to attend such an event, you will have a hard time trying to separate the few real cobras from the too many replica Cobras.

So, let's stick to the original Ferraris

 

No, I'm not, but what the heck: ok for me if you wish. What kind of people hang prints on their walls anyway? Maybe they should go for art they can afford too... (I most certainly do, I wouldn't hang prints on my walls even if you came over and killed me now!)

Funny as it may be but I do agree; framing and hanging art prints on your wall *IS* pretty pathetic...

I don't do prints. I don't do replicas. I do art and cars I can afford (my Ferrari may be a tatty, 44-year-old car but I *LOVE* it and it most certainly needed someone to love it - soon!).

 

Don't we all agree that if today we see an AC Cobra or a Ferrari 250 GTO on the road, the first thing which comes to our mind is that it is a replica, we do NOT EVEN THINK that it might possibly be a real car. WHY is this so? Simply because we all know that the chance of seeing a real one is very slim and 99 percent of the cars seen today are replicas anyway. We automatically expect a replica, rather than the real thing.
It has often been said about 250 GTOs that "of the 39 units produced today only 145 cars survive".
And some cars have been built out of a tach needle.
Marcel Massini

 

cobra ? never heard.
sorry i m ignorant.