The official replica/re-creation thread

Once again, Sorry

 

Hi Marcel,
I typically don't follow the replica discussions, but I am very surprised to see that their is currently alot of replica production at various locations around the world and many old repo's floating around. I didn't think their was that much demand. I was under the impression that most repo's were typically GTO and Cal Spyders. The variety is surprising. Some appear to be very good copies. Could fool some people.

A separate section on replicas is a good idea. Not necessarily to create some big discussion - but to at least have a place to post pictures, keep track and discuss. Can be informative and of value in a lot of ways.

 

Right on. Recent price paid for a McBurnie Daytona Spyder replica at an auction: $ 46k

 

Here the photos of the 275 built for Chinetti Junior.
Body shop close to Modena but very private !
Chassis, body 100 % new

 

275 for Chinetti
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Here the photos from Modena
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And here Edvar Van Daelen testing the Consico
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What is that? Never heard of it. I see S/F shields, so it must be something Ferrari. Can you elaborate?

 

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Are both of his 275's chassis 100% new? Is one repaired remains? What about the 330P chassis? Is it new or the remains repaired?

Best

 

100 % New

 

All three cars?

 

Based on a 328 designed by german Bernd Michalak.
Very fast I believe.

 

275 P I saw myself the construction of the cars

330 P, my friend work for the shop who built it and he told me 100 % new.

Now remember, it s a sensitive info as many $ are involve

 

Wow. As long as you land sunny side up.

 

This is my first time posting on FerrariChat.

I have been reading this thread with great interest. BTW, I agree there should be a section for replicas and discussing replicas is important because they do exist and people need to be informed.

That said first I think there should be different designations (I am not suggesting these designations, I just don't know what else to use): A replica is just that, a car designed to LOOK, and hopefully drive, like another car that is either no longer in existence, not purchasable (not for sale), or priced out of the realm of reality; a recreation is the exact copying of another vehicle using a combination of correct parts, modified donor parts and parts recreated for the unique parts of the target car; rebodies are original cars that have had the body replaced; restorations are really not much different from a recreation except that the donor car and the target car are the same, in some cases the recreation has more original parts than the restoration.

The real issue is the intent behind the re-whatever car. Some are meant to defraud, they are fakes and a scourge. Some are built as test mules or practice cars. Some are meant to provide a driving experience that is otherwise not available, that is what the custom/hot rod part of the automotive industry has always been about and should be applauded, not derided; it is also why companies like Ferrari were started in the first place.

Sometimes we loose touch with reality. Ferraris are great cars and losing old ones, or most new ones, is a shame but let’s not forget that Ferraris were first and fore most race cars. Race cars get modified, a lot. Before old Ferraris were 7 figure purchases they were just tired old, obsolete, race cars. Is a 250 SWB with a replacement, but correct, engine REALLY less valuable than one with the "original" engine? Is the driving experience in some way compromised?

When Ferrari slapped a different body on a car or swapped the engine or even changed the chassis number or model designation on a car, no one blinked an eye. We tend to treat old Ferraris like museum pieces. They are cars. They get driven. They break parts. Parts wear out. They have accidents.

There is a huge amount of money changing hands in the Ferrari world. Dealers, brokers, magazines, writers, historians, repair shops, restorers, collectors, ad infinitum. Anyplace there are larges amounts of money changing hands there are crooks and charlatans. There are also snobs and posers and enthusiasts. Originals always have more value and for those that can afford the original, there is no substitute. If only two cars were built and they were both destroyed in accidents, is it really wrong to build a replica? The only wrong is to try to pass it off as the original. Remember imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Somehow I don't think that Enzo Ferrari would have had a problem with slapping a bigger engine into any car if he felt it would enhance the driving experience.

 

Fantastic that somebody will be getting new versions of these cars. But what about the engines? Are they used engines, or is there somebody actually casting new engine blocks for these replicas?

Any idea what kind of money is required to purchase one of those 275 or 330 replica bodies and chassis?

Are there many of those type replicas around? It would seem that this thread has brought them to light for most of us. Perhaps they are more common in Europe.

 

i m agree, not necessarily to poluate good thread by some replicas pics
or inutile discussions. If a moderator can here you, and made this, it will be
most interesting.

 

this has become a very informative thread!
thanks for starting it tifosi12!
and much appreciation for your overcoming you aversion and lending you expertise and images mr. marcel massini!
also thanks to olczyk for his contributions!
i would also agree a section for replicas could be very informative and help to keep some people honest!

 

Who is going to tell what is and what is not? I can hear people ducking under their keyboards already!

 

so there are already too many replicas being passed off as the real thing?

 

I'd love to be that mod and would imagine that for certain cars with lots of history (e.g. that Lord B 250 SWB) we would need individual threads. It would definitely require the help of experts like Marcel to distinguish truth from fiction. In other cases it'd be rather straight forward like in the already discussed 250 GTO Spyder (here some shots I took some years ago at an event in Chicago):
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I think all SWB numbers are claimed for (except one or two), some of them two or three times. Some cars have been lost for 40-50 years and then returned; I strongly suspect that all of them were not found under a tarp in a barn. In some cases, the car is known to have an original chassis but the re-created body looks like a lousy replica. The main problem, however, will be that with maybe 300-400 Ferrari based replicas and two dozens of "unscrapped" cars around, NOBODY is willing or able to instantly tell which is and what is not, so that threads could be devided into groups for "real cars" and "replicas". Many readers can't tell a Datsun Z-replica from a real GTO...

 

Would you also be prepared to be sued once or twice per year by owners who get upset when their precious and very unique car has been brought down in value by calling it a replica on a public forum? I wouldn't. Best wishes, Kare

 

You can't be sued for stating something that is true. Showing a reckless disregard for the truth is another matter...