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The official replica/re-creation thread

Discussion in 'Recreations & Non-Period Rebodies' started by WILLIAM H, Mar 18, 2004.

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  1. Jan Biekens

    Jan Biekens Karting

    Jan 30, 2005
    110
    Belgium
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    Jan Biekens
    Hi Pete,

    On my site I have no intention in critisising the other two cars. In fact if you read how I started, Chris Rea was a big inspiration, and I'm calling them beautiful cars. Just when I looked at the two cars, the Rea's car was at T.H.R.E. and although the 120° engine was somehowe mounted into the car there had to be done a lot of modifications on the chassis and body to give it the 61 look. The other car with a 62 enigine was still in a rough state. Of course they were racecars and even between two training sessions they modified the cars.
    I agree with you that there's no point in using a 206 or 246 engine (and we don't) becauce my goal is different from Rea when he built it for his movie .
    Please have some patience as we do and check the news session on the site to see the progress of the project and always feel free to give your comment.

    Regards,

    Jan
     
  2. Bryanp

    Bryanp F1 Rookie

    Aug 13, 2002
    3,799
    Santa Fe, NM
    Welcome to FerrariChat, Jan!

    I'm sure that most of us have now bookmarked your site and look forward to watching your progress!

    for those of you who don't know, Mr. Biekens is one of those crazy europeans who drives his vintage Ferrari race car a LOT. He has run his car at the Le Mans Classic among many others.

    My father sends his regards, Jan.

    Welcome!
     
  3. ferrari_e_basta

    ferrari_e_basta Karting
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    Nov 1, 2003
    154
    nr Nurburgring, GER
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    Helmut Schnug
    @ Jan Biekens

    Hello Jan

    nice to see you as a registered member on FChat - welcome.

    Looking forward to meet you at some races and rallies throughout Europe.
    You're a great quy and it's always a great pleasure to see you.

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    Helmut Schnug
    Classics in Camera
    images of Historic Automobiles & MotorSport
     
  4. vince308

    vince308 Formula 3

    May 23, 2003
    1,305
    belgium
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    vincent
    Hi Jan,

    Nice to see you are on the chat, since I met you yesterday and talked about it..

    It was a nice talk about your Sharknose project also and hope to see you soon again.

    Keep on going.

    Greetings, Vincent.
     
  5. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

    Nov 20, 2002
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    Pete
    Thanks for the reply ... apologise if I came off a bit heavy handed :).

    Will patiently wait for updates, and best of luck with the project.
    Pete
     
  6. Jan Biekens

    Jan Biekens Karting

    Jan 30, 2005
    110
    Belgium
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    Jan Biekens
    Hello Helmut, Vincent ,Steve and Bryan,
    Thanks for your welcome on the Ferrari chat. I hope I have time to cope with all your discussions because I’m quit tied up with my work at this moment.
    It’ s very nice to hear the Sharknose site to be bookmarked. It will not be a site which will be updated every day. On the subjects I’ll be as accurate as possible and hope to do the F1 section in the summer and the news section …. we have to wait !!!
    Bryan also give my regards to your father. For me it’s a great honour to have been able to have some correspondence with him as for me he’s not only the number one expert on the Mondial’s but as me being a Ferrari classic enthusiast it’s very special to know people with such great expertise. For instance the discussion on this chat about the sound of the 156 I can’t tell, the only sound I know are recordings of the video’s and old films I have of 1961 because then I was six years old and I remember the black and white TV screen but not the sound.

    Regards,

    Jan
     
  7. Jan Biekens

    Jan Biekens Karting

    Jan 30, 2005
    110
    Belgium
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    Jan Biekens
    Sorry Steve should be Pete of course, it’s quit late !
     
  8. Rev-happy

    Rev-happy Rookie

    Jan 30, 2005
    21
    I like the sound of this project. A historic car, restored. Great!
     
  9. Horsefly

    Horsefly F1 Veteran

    May 14, 2002
    6,929
    Yeah, I know, it's a replica, but you guys know everything so here goes:

    Strictly by chance, I stumbled across a semi-local guy who supposedly has a 57 Testaross replica, left hand drive, that is fiberglass bodied on an aluminum monococque chassis with an aluminum early Buick V8 engine. He says that it has no actual Ferrari parts but was one of two(?) that were built by somebody named Doug Champlain around 1970. I haven't seen the car, but it supposedly is extremely nice and well constructed, unlike a kit car. Has anybody ever heard of such a beast? The price was too rich for my blood, but then the originals are also too rich. So in that vein, it's just as good as the real thing, because I won't be buying either one. But it did sound like an interesting car.
     
  10. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Oct 23, 2002
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    Jim Glickenhaus
    Are you sure this isn't a "Special" like "Old Yeller" another Buick powered homebuilt race car? Most kit/replicas would have a tube chassis not a monocoque chassis. This sounds more like a home brew race car. I've not heard of a front engined monocoque car circa 70ies. Others?
     
  11. P4Replica

    P4Replica Formula 3

    Nov 4, 2003
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  12. Horsefly

    Horsefly F1 Veteran

    May 14, 2002
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    I was also puzzled by the owner's mentioning of a monocoque type chassis and not a tube frame. That sounds weird to me. Unless it is something bizarre like a modified Austin Healy floor-pan chassis. But it sounded much better built than some kit car. The owner knows his cars very well and says that it is definately a 57 TR replica. (He also owns an Intermeccanica Apollo coupe, a Lambo Jalpa and other things.) Another fellow is flying in to buy it. I don't know if it will be around long enough for me to even get a chance to see it. It supposedly was written up in an old magazine article which he mentioned but I didn't write down the info.
     
  13. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    If you check it out pls. snap some pics.
     
  14. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

    Nov 20, 2002
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    Could it be based on a Jaguar E-type or something? ...

    There were ofcourse actually many monocoque front engined production cars built in the 70's ... or maybe I should really say unitary construction, not true monocoques.

    So this car is either a very clever homebuilt club race car or possibly a terrible hacked family car with a homemade fibreglass body chucked on it :D ... pictures please!

    Pete
     
  15. Yquem

    Yquem Formula 3

    Dec 2, 2003
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    Jan, it was absolutely great to have a good chat last saterday at the reunion. I will follow this great project from very close, see you at one of the other meetings!

    Forza Ferrari,
    Cordiali saluti,
    Joren REMANS
     
  16. gtofreak

    gtofreak Karting

    Nov 5, 2004
    201
    Bonaire, N.A.
    At least 3 (three) replicas today!
    Back in 1980 already the firm of Carrozzeria Egidio Brandoli in Montale near Modena already built a 156 Spider Corsa Replica. I have old color slides, somewhere.
     
  17. Jan Biekens

    Jan Biekens Karting

    Jan 30, 2005
    110
    Belgium
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    Jan Biekens
    Hi Joren,
    It was indeed great talking to you and we were lucky to witness a new area in the Belgian Ferrari history: the pre-opening of the Galleria Ecurie Francorchamps in presence of people like Swaters, Beurlys, Langois and Scaglietti. Say regards to your father.
     
  18. Jan Biekens

    Jan Biekens Karting

    Jan 30, 2005
    110
    Belgium
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    Jan Biekens
    I hope you can find the slides and show us some of them.
     
  19. bigodino

    bigodino F1 World Champ
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    Never heard of a 156 Spider Corsa. Do you mean a 166 Spider Corsa? Totally different model though.
     
  20. gtofreak

    gtofreak Karting

    Nov 5, 2004
    201
    Bonaire, N.A.

    Peter: 156 Spider Corsa, also known as sharknose. The one in which Phil Hill became a champ (1961).
    Sharknose is an English word and wasn't used by the factory.
    (Trust me, I know what a 166SC would be).
     
  21. gtofreak

    gtofreak Karting

    Nov 5, 2004
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    #96 gtofreak, Feb 7, 2005
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    Jan
    Here are two photos I took 21 years ago on 16 May 1984 at Egidio Brandoli's Carrozzeria in Montale (while he was still in his old premises) when he was constructing a 156 Spider Corsa replica. Back then he said that his client was an Italian.
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  22. stevel48

    stevel48 Formula 3

    Jan 4, 2005
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    Some can spend 1 mil + on the early road and race cars and some can't. Still, those who can't spend 1 mil + may be able to spend 100k on a perfect replica.

    What if you could replicate the car to original specs...all but the drivetrain. Same chassis, brakes, wheels and even a hand made aluminum body. using all the same processes that were used originaly. Mind you, not using the ferrari badge/name/model #.

    Would people buy/commision them? thoughts?
     
  23. CreativeS

    CreativeS Formula Junior

    Jan 3, 2005
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    Andre
    Good question, BUT I find the only problem is $100K is still alot for a hobby car, and most people who can afford a $100K car generally have taste and wouldn't otherwise be caugt dead driving something "that looks like the real thing".

    A good car you can contrast to your idea is the original Shelby Cobra. It's worth alot, and most of them out there are look-a-likes. Sure it's cool, but having to say "it's a replica" or having a Honda Civic burn your ass on the highway kinda lacks the prestige a person would like.

    I'm sure you might find a few people. Alot of people dig the hand-built very custom cars, but I don't think these could be mass produced.

    That's just my 2 cents...
     
  24. BMW.SauberF1Team

    BMW.SauberF1Team F1 World Champ

    Dec 4, 2004
    14,244
    I think Favre does this, but with a Ferrari drivetrain. I believe they use a 330 and convert it to a 250 GTO and they sell for around $250k. I read on this forum that some owners own the real GTO and buy this "reproduction" (not replica) as a car to practice on before driving their real GTOs. They also said that the feel of the car is almost exact. Since I doubt I'll ever be able to afford a real GTO, I wouldn't buy a reproduction as my first Ferrari...maybe as a 5th + Ferrari.

    Edit: Does anyone have a website for the Favre reproductions? I couldn't find their company's site on google.
     
  25. bigodino

    bigodino F1 World Champ
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    That's a 156 Dino F1 to me, not a Spider Corsa. I've never heard that name (SC) used for a monoposto.

    But from the pictures I see we're talking about the same thing. I suppose it never came out in public? Was it ever finished?
     

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