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Does anyone else own a 1980 308 GTBi?

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  1. mcfarlin

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    I have owned this car for less than a year and have really come to appreciate it. It was rumored, based on an old production chart, to be one of 24 built but some light was recently shed on that rumor by Rifledriver with his claim to have 86 VINs for such cars (he actually said "over 85").
    I have seen posts here or ads on Ebay giving evidence of at least 3 others still in existence. I know that it is just a 2Vi and never had the performance or desirability of a carbed car, QV, or GTS, but it still appears to be one of the rarest of the breed.
    My question is this... Does anyone else out there have one of these great cars? If so, would you mind posting your VIN and production sequence number?

    Thank you,

    Mike in Denver
     
  2. Bullfighter

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    I think Sports Car Company has a one for sale right now with 7,000 miles. Yellow/black, great colors.

    There was also a red/black one with extremely low miles for sale last year - on eBay a few times, not sure if it sold.

    I don't really keep track of them, but those stick out for being time capsule cars.
     
  3. PittsS2APilot

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    #3 PittsS2APilot, Feb 6, 2009
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    Most of the Fchatters near me know me. I've also heard the stuff about the 2v GTBi's being few and far between? Im not sure how "few" there are? Mine is a 1980 308 GTBi ser #33335. Best I can tell its origional paint and leather. It has just over 18k miles on it. Im the 4th owner and I got it November 2007. I've had only minor issues with the car (knock wood) and about the only major mod I've done is sucked in the front bumper. Since Im way down south, I can drive year round (its 71 degrees today). I plan on keeping it till they bury me and let the nieces and nephews fight over it. Love the car. Joe
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  4. Newman

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    I know of one that bought the farm not too long ago, my carbed GTB has some of its parts on it right now. Might be able to get you the VIN if you're really nice :).
     
  5. mcfarlin

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    I promise to continue being nice if you get the vin, if not...
     
  6. Paul_308

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    #6 Paul_308, Feb 6, 2009
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    Hi, Mike. Guess us guys with the 3k cold idle wimpy cars should stick together.
    But I'll pit my condition against anyone else's extra hp.

    I've never seen two production lists alike, especially for 1980 when the line was a mix of carb and FI cars.
    ZFFAA01A9A0033963 - 1980 33963 red/tan berlinetta (w/front license plate under the seat) 65kmiles
     
  7. robbie308

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    Mike, in order to confirm Rifledriver's claim, it would be really interesting to gather more than those questionable number of 24 308 GTBi's from 1980. I mean, with a 1980 date of manufacture (not 1980 model year), confirmed by the Ferrari Heritage Certificate. If you should succeed with this compilation one day, it would be great if you'd let me know by PM.

    Don't call it 'just a 2Vi'. Although it might lack a few hp and torque compared to the others, it's still a beautiful, fascinating and fast car. And I honestly doubt that my 1978 carb'd dry sump 308 GTB really has 255 hp :)

    Regards, Robert
     
  8. zebra308

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    #8 zebra308, Feb 7, 2009
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    Here's my Nov. 1980 production dated 308GTBi, # 34531. I believe it's the first 1981 model year car to be imported (from another thread about 308 serial/production numbers). It was sold through American Service center in Washington D.C. and I believe I'm the 3rd owner.
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  9. mcfarlin

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    Thank you to those who have responded so far, looks like the claim of only 24 is still safe as far as this thread goes.
    We are up to 4!
    33111
    33335 White/red,Joe, very nice, yours can't have many copies out there!
    33963
    34531

    I'll keep compiling, and will get the numbers of those posted for sale as well.

    My "just a 2Vi" comment was just a ploy to preempt any naysayers by getting that stuff out of the way up front. These are truly world class cars.
     
  10. mcfarlin

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    The nice looking Yellow/black one on Ebay right now 32989.
     
  11. zebra308

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    #11 zebra308, Feb 7, 2009
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    I can't seem to find the thread, but a little while ago there was a list posted by someone that had serial/production numbers for both GTB and GTS and the number of cars produced each year. That's how I found out mine was the first NA 1981 GTBi.

    If I recall ,there were only 494, 308 2V GTBi cars produced in the build run from 1980 to 1982.
     
  12. mcfarlin

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    Thanks Ruffis,

    This is the info from the chart I have a well. 494 total with 24 of then being 1980. Those numbers have been disputed on this board and that is what led me to start trying to collect real numbers for this specific combo. Based on the responses so far its a pretty rare car indeed!

    Mike
     
  13. zebra308

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    I know there were some small detail differences in the production run. For instance, my car has the clock and the oiltemp gauge in the center console. I remember seeing an early 1980s car with the gauges in the dash, to the left of the steering wheel. Another detail deals with the airbox on the top of the engine. Mine is black crinkle paint. I believe the earlier ones were a natural aluminum finish (although the car I was looking at could have had the crinkle paint removed). My car only has a mirror on the driver's side, too.
    Weird.
     
  14. Tokyo Drftr

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    I have a black 80 gtbi. I don't know the serial number by heart. Will check next week when i am home.
     
  15. bassbob

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    saw your question, i own a 1980 ferrari 308 gtbi no.31327 which is the first one built red/black 27543 original miles,i would be interested to know abought 24 being built.the car as of last week was put on cgaigslist for sale.phone 480-951=3064.scottsdale az.robert
     
  16. dave80gtsi

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    #16 dave80gtsi, Feb 10, 2009
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    Have you folks seen my posting (specifically, post no. 60, at bottom of page 3) in this thread?: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=176780

    Cheers - DM
     
  17. zebra308

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    Dave,
    You've done quite a bit of research there my friend. My hat's off to you.

    Since you have 28 confirmed 1980 308 GTBi, can you post the serial numbers, build dates and the colors?

    I can't seem to find the thread that indicated the serial numbers of each model year '80,'81 and '82. That's how I found out mine was the first MY 1981 GTBi.
    Thanks,
    Will
     
  18. dave80gtsi

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    I'm out of the country this week, and this info is on my home computer, so I can't post this info until next week.

    All that I have is the serial numbers - no month of manufacture or color info - so your interest in just a string of numbers might be limited.

    Mathias' book probably has more of the type of info that you are seeking.

    I have already posted here on this forum the serial number breaks of the 80 - 81 - 82 numbers as I have them (which is a -long- way from being definitive, that's for sure), and a search of the archives for this thread and my user name should bring it forth.

    Cheers - DM
     
  19. Tokyo Drftr

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    Found my serial number on my insurance card. My car is 31769. California Blk 308. 40k miles.
     
  20. Tokyo Drftr

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    Build date was april of 1980.
     
  21. mcfarlin

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    Dave,

    I respect your efforts to assemble accurate numbers of production by model. This has become one of those controversial topics of conversation and someone always disagrees. Please don't take my question as negative or confrontational but rather as a friendly exchange between rational people. You have obviously done way more research than I have and I'm not trying to cause trouble.

    In your post you say:

    " If we, for the moment, assume that the percentage of my small random sampling is representative of the whole, then we might reasonably expect (0.60)(1600) = 960 of the 308 GTSi models altogether to have been manufactured for the 1980 model year. However, this value strikes me as a bit on the high side – I tend to believe that my collection over-emphasizes the USA-spec models and that the actual number is closer to the 500 to 600 range … but that’s merely my opinion.

    Next, looking at the 1980 model year 308 GTBi models, I count 28 of them, or (28/211) = 13% of the total. Extrapolating this same 13% value to the whole, we might anticipate (0.13)(1600) = 208 total USA-spec 308 GTBi models manufactured for the model year 1980. But, as before, this value seems a bit on the high side to me – I’d estimate an actual number of something closer towards 150 or so."

    Here are my concerns:

    You have assumed that your sample is random and representative of the whole. In fact, it is not random at all. Collecting data from E-bay, Classifieds, etc. is very biased towards cars that are being offered up for sale. This segment of the whole could very likely be heavily weighted towards cars that are less desireable and that people do not wish to retain (2Vi, Berlinetta, etc.).

    You do seem to indicate that your sample is biased but then you throw in an arbitrary "seems a bit on the high side" factor reducing your own calculations to 150 or so. I'm sure you see why these numbers are questionable.

    What this really comes down to is that the only way to prove that more than a certain number of 1980 308 GTBi's were produced is to collect more that that number of examples. Your collection of serial numbers does just that. Even though it is just a string of numbers, it is a good start!

    If you provide these numbers it will allow others to try to get more details on the cars that they represent.

    Again, I know that this post could be perceived in a negative way, especially since we don't know each other, but please think of it as just some guy who enjoys a good argument! I really don't mean any offense.

    Mike
     
  22. Neonzapper

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    #22 Neonzapper, Feb 10, 2009
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    You definitely have a rare car, but it's hard to say what is the exact production number for one year. Here is the closest thing I could find, but someone else will surely have much more information than this guideline...
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  23. Rifledriver

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    #23 Rifledriver, Feb 10, 2009
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    Or you could just wait and get actual VIN's and quit all the hocus pocus. I have the information but it is in 3 large data bases. Right now I am collating the 328 information but there are about 15,000 VINs I need to render down to about 7000 by eliminating duplication, errors etc and record all the additional information. When that is done I will skip down to the GTB/Si's and do them . My research and the data I have collected do not seperate B's and S's but I will do that too in an effort to put this wives tale to rest. I know it will not for many though because I have found in my 30+ years in the Ferrari business people love and embrace wives tales because it adds to the mystique and you will never change their mind. Enough information is out in the public domain already to put it to bed but it is ignored because people want to. I have no need to convince anyone Elvis really is dead.


    It was said somewhere in the thread that only cars built in 1980 count. Not true. A model year is whatever Ferrari says it is within limitations. What matters is what the 10th digit in the VIN is and that is all. If it is an "A" it is a 1980 no matter when it is built. I have no reason to think Ferrari got creative with the 1980 model year but MY 1983 was about 15 months long. MY 1984 was about 8 months long and in 1990 and 1991 they got really creative. Also Ferrari VINs are not all made in order. For example 66137 is a US 1987 328 GTS, the next 1987 US 328 I have on my list is 66301. All the cars built between are 1986's. Then there is the matter of the overlapping carbed and injected cars that need to be seperated. That is easy if the entire VIN is available but not so much if not.


    Almost all this can be answered by well researched information in the public domain but as long as you continue to ignore that information in favor of hearsay and internet polling, the wives tales and disinformation will continue.

    I will provide it eventually but I can't make you believe it.
     
  24. mcfarlin

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    Well said . I will await your results as you have collected actual data. I was actually trying to avoid the hocus pocus also. We cannot project or extrapolate anything. We can only count.

    It would be difficult to prove that only a certain number of anything was built. One thing will be easy to disprove; if you have 25 confirmed VINs for 1980 308 GTBi's then the "24" number in the chart floating around out there will be disproven. The total number may never be know but so far, I have collected 9 VINs. All this proves is that there were more than 8 built. If you have 86, that will prove that more than 85 were built.

    This is actally getting much more simple!

    Thanks,

    Mike
     
  25. Rifledriver

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    All true and something everyone needs to remember is all this type of work is a work in progress. Filling in the gaps of information never really ends.

    At some point in the future when I get a little caught up on all the data I already have I will be asking all you to help fill in some of those gaps.
     

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