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Wanted 348 - 91 VIN 89300 or higher

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  1. LSU348

    LSU348 Formula 3

    Dec 19, 2003
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    Mike
    I am looking for a 92 or newer 348. Will also consider 91 348s with VIN of 89300 or higher. Please do not contact me if you have a 91 or older under that number. Unless of course you have the deal of a lifetime...in which case, hit me.

    No preference between TB or TS, like them both. Spiders too but I doubt I can touch a well sorted one for my price.

    Colors:

    Preferred in this order Red/Tan Red/Black Black/Black Blue/tan Blue/black - I will not buy a yellow car. My favorite combo is actually blue on tan but red/tan makes for a better exit strategy when selling the car for the 360 I will get later :)

    Mileage higher then 30k lower then 50k. Garage queens considered but I do not consider super low mileage a good thing. I like drivers.

    30k service with water pump within the last 3 years by certified mechanic who will be known by the FCA and will answer questions. I will call him - bank on it.

    All books, tools and parts

    As close to stock as possible. Aftermarket parts OK but do not ad a lot of value in my opinion.

    No repainted cars. Must be original color

    Regular wear acceptable - aka some rock dings but paint in good apprearance overall.

    A/C works perfectly...I am in South Texas...it be hot. If it does not work massive price drop. Probably a deal killer if A/c underpar.

    My budget is:

    91-92 Mid 40's (45-46)
    93-94 Hi 40s (46-49)
    94-95 (50 max)

    For evey year the car is out of service I take off 1k. Aka, if 30k with water pump was done 3 years ago drop 3k.

    Lack of documents is not a killer as long as superb 30k was done. Price closer to wholesale without full docs/tools/books.

    PPI should be expected with compression/leakdown a definate possibility.

    Prices are a base range - exceptional cars like the 91 348 TS at Motorcars International I would add to my top number. I will likely be calling them tomorrow after my Vrod sale is closed.

    I have full permission from the boss/wife to proceed, funds are now 100% lined up and I live 15 minutes from IAH so I can fly pronto.

    PM me if you want to talk. Tire kicking has officially ended.

    If you are near Houston and I can put my eyeballs on the car I am far more willing to work issues then on a car 1200 miles away from me.
     
  2. Ciao Bello 348

    Ciao Bello 348 Formula 3

    Oct 3, 2005
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    Stupid question, but I have to ask since im selling my 1995 Spider.

    Why are you capped at $50,000 for a 95?? For only about $218 more per month (or less depending on term), you can increase your budget to $66000.00 and get a car that will need nothing and be in prestine condition. One that will hold its value and youll either make money or break even when the day comes that you decide to sell. I shopped 348's for a long time (years) and when I was serious to own one and get mine, took a few months and countless hours to look at cars and weed out the crap on the market. I found plenty of spiders that could be had for around $60,000 +/- (never found any near $50,000) and most needed paint work, interior work, tires, glass or just plain old routine $$maintainance$$.

    If youre a cash buyer, make sure you research and see in the form of legitimate repair orders the maintainance that was done, who did it, when, where, parts replaced, oem, aftermarket...etc...

    Anyone here will tell you an extra hour of research and a few bucks for a qualified person(s) to check the car could save you thousands of your hard earned dollars. Bottom line, dont skimp. You get what you pay for.

    Shameless Plug - http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90914
     
  3. LSU348

    LSU348 Formula 3

    Dec 19, 2003
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    I am the one who emailed you saying how cool your ad is (mbec99@...). I am VERY strict about what my monthly payment is going to be because that is money not going into my stock account which I make very good money on. Call it oppurtunity cost. I may not take a loan at all but at the rate I have lined up I can not justify selling the stocks I play covered calls on.

    50k will get me a VERY nice TB or TS. I am not a lover of convertibles. I actually prefer TBs over TSs over Spyders. Most nice ones are listed at 59k...even most junk is listed at that. Eventually the seller will get sane and it will come into my target zone.

    I agree with everything you said. If your service was more up to date and I was budgeting in your range I would be calling you. Your car is out of the range I am going to spend.
     
  4. LSU348

    LSU348 Formula 3

    Dec 19, 2003
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    Do not get me wrong though...your service history is unquestioned...just been a few years. Not an issue...can be priced accordingly.
     
  5. No Doubt

    No Doubt Seven Time F1 World Champ

    May 21, 2005
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    Someone did some homework...


    Here are the improvements that were made during Ferrari 348 production:
    http://webpages.charter.net/aircover/348/1994Ferrari348Spider.html


    1. 05/30/91 differential side seal—production improvement
    2. 05/30/91 Bosch starter motor changed to Nippon—production improvement
    3. 10/10/91 cam seal housing modification—reduced oil leakage
    4. 10/10/91 double plate-clutch changed in favor of single-plate clutch—production improvement
    5. 10/10/91 new alignment specs—improved handling
    6. 10/10/91 improved mounting of front bonnet grill to address warpage
    7. 10/10/91 front suspension shocks and springs—production improvement



     
  6. LSU348

    LSU348 Formula 3

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    Awesome link - a local 348 owner pointed me to this page about 6 months or so ago when he found out I was in research mode. Thanks for pointing it out though...it is one of the best I have seen. Unholy amount of work must have been undertanken to make that page.

     
  7. Ciao Bello 348

    Ciao Bello 348 Formula 3

    Oct 3, 2005
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    I do know a little bit about auto loans.. Its only been my career for the last 8 years.

    Dont know if youve applied yet or even if you where going to use a conventional auto loan to get your car. There are a few out there that specialize in exotics and classic cars. They will do terms up to 96 months i think with no pre payment penalty. Fair rates, too. Forget Capital One and the such. They dont specialize or give friendly terms to these kinds of cars. Theyre strictly new/late model used car banks. Ive been dealing with COAF for years. Interesting bank to watch thru the years (buying patterns)
     
  8. traimpz348

    traimpz348 Formula 3

    Apr 13, 2004
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    Capital One was great. Lowest rate period. They didn't care what kind of car I was buying. Just checked my credit report, and sent me a blank check. Of course, I don't think you can get terms for a billion years (96 months???).
     
  9. GQ IMAGE

    GQ IMAGE Formula Junior

    Feb 10, 2005
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    I'm sure you looked on Ebay. There is a 91 Red/Tan with the vin requirements you want. I just saw it there.
     
  10. Michael Everson

    Michael Everson Karting

    Nov 5, 2005
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    Mike it sounds like you are looking for the same car that I am. Unfortunately I have found NONE in that price range in the condition your looking for. every one keeps telling me anything over 55K is too much but thats where they are all priced. I have a flawless one in my area with 20k miles but needs service for 60K asking price. This seems to be the norm not the exception. Look at the ones liste on this site. Not one onder 55K, yet people on this site will tell you not to spend that. HUH???
     
  11. chrisx666

    chrisx666 Formula Junior

    Dec 6, 2004
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    I had exactly the same when I was buying mine in the UK Michael. I too was only looking for later cars past a certain VIN no. I kept reading "You should only spend $??? on one" - but the ones at $??? were earlier cars or bad cars (or a combination..).
     
  12. traimpz348

    traimpz348 Formula 3

    Apr 13, 2004
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    People love to say what a car should cost on this site. The reality is, you'll have top pay about 5% - 10% more than what they are telling you.

    If you wait long enough and find the right seller, you may find a car in that price range. It's just not the usual. With that said, people do love to over-price Ferrari's. Red/Tan and Red/Black will command more $$..

    LSU308's price rang is close to accurate, except for a 95 Spider, you'll never find one you want for $50k (I think he knows that though).

    Also, I think you should be a little more open to a 1991 or earlier. These cars are old and if serviced properly, they'll be fine. Despite what people say.

    The improvements that the 348 had in 92, are not that big a deal, and like I said if you find a well maintained car you won't even be able to tell the difference. There is a sublte difference between a 94 and all others, but even that isn't that a big a deal.
     
  13. T-A Tech

    T-A Tech Rookie

    Sep 16, 2005
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    IMHO, the biggest change from '92 onward is the switch from dual-disk to single-disk clutch. With the dual disk, if it can't be resurfaced, you're looking at $2200. more in parts to replace. If upwards of 40K miles, I'd make a comp./leakdown a definite rather than a definite possibility, just for peace of mind.

    I won't comment on correct pricing, but just say that I'm amazed at the number of crap 348s out there, and what some people consider to be good examples.

    Jimbo.
     
  14. airbarton

    airbarton Formula 3

    Nov 11, 2002
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    Why should you care what year it is as long as all of the updates have been done? I have a 1990 that has all of the same stuff in it as the most up to date 348's out there. Most owners who actually drive them do these things when they do the major service. As long as you have documentation of these changes from a reputable dealer it should not matter what year it is. The only one that is really expensive anyway is the clutch update and you can do that one yourself for about $5K. All of the others are common knowledge to the dealers and are recommended at the time of the major service.
     
  15. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
    Owner Rossa Subscribed

    Dec 6, 2002
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    Black/black at Tonkin.......Go tigers!
     
  16. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Jan 26, 2005
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    I found this to be true on my hunt for a 328. Many people here said "low $40K range", but when you start looking at actual cars for sale it does seem to hold that the best cars (original, great paint, overmaintained, etc.) sell for more. The low prices on this site probably stem from cars being sold directly between f-chat'ers. You can probably find a 348 for $40K, but there will be a reason(s).

    Dealer prices will always be somewhat higher due to overhead and the fact they have to stand behind what they sell -- i.e., if your engine blows 3 days after you get the car home, a private seller might send you a sympathy card, but the dealer may well be on the hook, if for no other reason than his reputation.

    Given the maintenance and service costs of a 348, it may be a case of 'losing the forest for the trees' to sweat the last few $K of price negotiations.
     
  17. LSU348

    LSU348 Formula 3

    Dec 19, 2003
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    USAA FSB - same company I have used for every car I have owned since I was int he Navy. Yes...all they need is a name and VIN. My budget is set in stone. I am not a professional financier but I know what I need to know. It isn't like differential equations...which I also know.

     
  18. LSU348

    LSU348 Formula 3

    Dec 19, 2003
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    Motorcars International, right? Yes, on the watched list. Very unlikely I will get a car off of eBay. Although I just sold mine there :p

     
  19. LSU348

    LSU348 Formula 3

    Dec 19, 2003
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    I can almost bet you a large sum of cash the car I buy will not be listed anywhere and will be from an FCA member known through my group of contacts (including fchat).

    I totally concur with your findings. Everyone is ASKING stupid numbers for their cars. The deals are out there. I do not HAVE to own the car tomorrow. Patience is a requirement - especially when doing final research on the car.

     
  20. LSU348

    LSU348 Formula 3

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    Quick note - I know 348 Spiders are 99% likely to be out of my range...I thought I said that - sorry for inaccuracy.

     
  21. LSU348

    LSU348 Formula 3

    Dec 19, 2003
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    I see that one. Not on my list.

    Learn to spell :) ...GEAUX!!!



     
  22. LSU348

    LSU348 Formula 3

    Dec 19, 2003
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    General note...the numbers I put in there are GUIDELINES. Would be a driver, not a uber perfect no rock chips, mommas baby, caressed in silk nightly car.

    No issues to me means:

    1. Service recent
    2. Everything works
    3. Wear is in line with miles
    4. Nothing about to need replacement
    5. I do not get the feeling the owner was a cheap SOB and neglected car

    My prices are not valid for garage queens (which I will not look at) and concours cars that have never seen a drop of rain. I know what I am looking for, have seen the same types of cars go for over and under my ranges and am VERY patient.

    -Mike
     
  23. Dale

    Dale F1 Veteran

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  24. LSU348

    LSU348 Formula 3

    Dec 19, 2003
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    It would appear that I am going to be correct. I am "looking" at a Dallas 348. Price is already pretty much right and the guy checks out in spades with Norwood's. I'd prefer to not go into details until we lock up a deal. 94 Spider - service up to date. Not a garage queen. Red/Tan.

     

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